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Yes, cry me a river. Supposedly "allied" governments have no qualms spying on each other, or engaging in "economic intelligence" for the military-industrial lob

Yes, cry me a river. Supposedly "allied" governments have no qualms spying on each other, or engaging in "economic intelligence" for the military-industrial lobby. Would the French DGSE (or other western intelligence agencies) engage in large-scale surveillance of their own citizens, let alone foreigners, if they believed they could get away with it? You bet.

p4bl0 13y ago
They do. If you can read French, check out http://reflets.info/ http://reflets.info/.
- Sagat 13y ago
  Really suspicious looking site, bro.
  - nraynaud 13y ago
    it's actually serious, one of the guys got published in the Canard Enchaîné and for example revealed some FBI files on US citizens 8 years before the Washington Post did.
  - bobwaycott 13y ago
    What exactly do you find suspicious?
    - p4bl0 13y ago
      It's understandable, and it's something that Reflets.info editors acknoledge: use of memes (lolcats for instance) does not look "pro", and there are opinion and rant posts along with very profound and detailed in-depth investigation articles. You know, don't judge a blog by its cover ;-).
      - Sagat 13y ago
        What he said.
jbevain 13y ago
>Would the French DGSE (or other western intelligence agencies) engage in large-scale surveillance of their own citizens They most certainly do: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electronic-spying-operation-nsa http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electron...
AJ007 13y ago
In an interview of Larry Ellison Charlie Rose this past summer, Larry described the French blatantly going through all his electronics when he traveled over there. Disappointingly and not surprisingly he didn't have a problem with the allegations against the NSA. Something to consider is that points of interest differ within governments. For example, fugitive Marc Rich was believed to have been aided by the US State Department even as the DOJ continuously attempted to kidnap him. In other countries you even end up with military coups when one group really is unhappy with another. On the other hand, there is a lot of noise making in countries with representative elections, which means little. Edit: I would not be surprised if we start seeing criminal indictments against executives of US internet companies in some countries.
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p4bl0 13y ago

They do. If you can read French, check out http://reflets.info/ http://reflets.info/.

Sagat 13y ago
Really suspicious looking site, bro.
- nraynaud 13y ago
  it's actually serious, one of the guys got published in the Canard Enchaîné and for example revealed some FBI files on US citizens 8 years before the Washington Post did.
- bobwaycott 13y ago
  What exactly do you find suspicious?
  - p4bl0 13y ago
    It's understandable, and it's something that Reflets.info editors acknoledge: use of memes (lolcats for instance) does not look "pro", and there are opinion and rant posts along with very profound and detailed in-depth investigation articles. You know, don't judge a blog by its cover ;-).
    - Sagat 13y ago
      What he said.

jbevain 13y ago

>Would the French DGSE (or other western intelligence agencies) engage in large-scale surveillance of their own citizens They most certainly do: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electronic-spying-operation-nsa http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/france-electron...

AJ007 13y ago

In an interview of Larry Ellison Charlie Rose this past summer, Larry described the French blatantly going through all his electronics when he traveled over there. Disappointingly and not surprisingly he didn't have a problem with the allegations against the NSA. Something to consider is that points of interest differ within governments. For example, fugitive Marc Rich was believed to have been aided by the US State Department even as the DOJ continuously attempted to kidnap him. In other countries you even end up with military coups when one group really is unhappy with another. On the other hand, there is a lot of noise making in countries with representative elections, which means little. Edit: I would not be surprised if we start seeing criminal indictments against executives of US internet companies in some countries.

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