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> A quick Google search shows many Windows laptops with equivalent or better battery life. I don't want to state the obvious, but different laptops have differ

by SEMW 13y ago

> A quick Google search shows many Windows laptops with equivalent or better battery life. I don't want to state the obvious, but different laptops have different capacity batteries. Atwood was comparing the 11" MBA to the Surface Pro 2 as they have similar battery capacities (SP2: 42 Wh, MBA: 38 Wh), and - as Maakuth notes -- are both made by companies in control of both software and hardware. The fact that you can find laptops with higher capacity batteries that have longer battery life doesn't prove very much.

yeukhon 13y ago
A 100% true test is when you have the same hardware. Running windows on MBA is defect because Apple writes iOS for their hardware. So if we have a magical power to run iOS on another hardware and run Windows on that same hardware, then the test is fair. But that doesn't need to as windows-based tablets hardware are not always as polish as apple's.
- protomyth 13y ago
  iOS? OS X runs on MBA not iOS.
- stonemetal 13y ago
  They have numbers for your 100% true test. That is where the final 50% difference comes from. 2013 MacBook Air 13" Under OS X: 14hr 26 min Under Win8: 7 hrs 40 min Though I am not sure I would call that 100% fair. Apple wrote the firmware and drivers used by each OS, so it has a vested interest in getting something out there that works but not optimizing for the competition.
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Your parent already said he did not consider running Windows on Apple hardware to be a fair test; he was calling for running both on <GENERIC PC>
    - stonemetal 13y ago
      Yeah, but what are you going to see in the real world? You are going to see OS X on Apple hardware and Windows on whatever random box the person had handy. Sounds pretty much like what they tested.
      - yeukhon 13y ago
        The test indicates something more important than Window's performance and that is monothilic designer like Apple can in fact make a great product if the designer chooses to. If Windows were to make their own laptop and invest the same amount of resource into bothe software and hardware, the comparison will be more interesting. In essence, your average OEM does not do a great job. The capacitor, the transistors they use are probably way cheaper than what Apple have put into their MBA. That is expected because after all, your Dell computer is not going to cost $1499.
Touche 13y ago
Yes, of course, Windows can be comparable on similar capacities. Does this need to be stated? Go read the reviews of some Acer or Samsung laptops. Extrapolating the problems of the Surface 2 to all computers with the same OS doesn't make sense. Microsoft isn't experienced at making computers, shouldn't be a surprise that they are bad at it right now.
- adolph 13y ago
  The article's point was that on closely comparable hardware doing nearly the same task, the operating system seems to make a significant difference in battery power. Maybe other Windows PC makers are more experienced in making efficient drivers and tuning the OS delivered on disk? In a couple of reviews I read, that isn't the case: First Samsung laptop review I read, a NP900X3E-K01US with a 44 Wh battery: ...battery life is disappointing for such an expensive laptop... [1] Second, a Dell XPS 12 review: 50WHr battery ... Wi-Fi browsing test ... seven hours and 58 minutes [1] http://www.cnet.com/laptops/samsung-ativ-book-9/4505-3121_7-35821000.html http://www.cnet.com/laptops/samsung-ativ-book-9/4505-3121_7-... [2] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/review-xps-12s-haswell-upgrade-improves-an-already-good-convertible-pc/2/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/review-xps-12s-haswel...
- rwolf 13y ago
  I'm puzzled, your comments seem to claim simultaneously that: * There is not a battery life problem on Windows machines. * The battery life problem on Windows machines is not surprising.
  - Touche 13y ago
    No, I didn't say #2, I said it's not surprising that the Surface Pro gets poor battery life. My comment about this whole controversy is that you cannot project 1 computer's battery problems to the operating system. My Windows does get poor battery life but we haven't seen any evidence of that. Clearly it can get good battery life as there are real-life computers running Windows that get great battery life.

by SEMW 13y ago

yeukhon 13y ago

A 100% true test is when you have the same hardware. Running windows on MBA is defect because Apple writes iOS for their hardware. So if we have a magical power to run iOS on another hardware and run Windows on that same hardware, then the test is fair. But that doesn't need to as windows-based tablets hardware are not always as polish as apple's.

protomyth 13y ago
iOS? OS X runs on MBA not iOS.
stonemetal 13y ago
They have numbers for your 100% true test. That is where the final 50% difference comes from. 2013 MacBook Air 13" Under OS X: 14hr 26 min Under Win8: 7 hrs 40 min Though I am not sure I would call that 100% fair. Apple wrote the firmware and drivers used by each OS, so it has a vested interest in getting something out there that works but not optimizing for the competition.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  Your parent already said he did not consider running Windows on Apple hardware to be a fair test; he was calling for running both on <GENERIC PC>
  - stonemetal 13y ago
    Yeah, but what are you going to see in the real world? You are going to see OS X on Apple hardware and Windows on whatever random box the person had handy. Sounds pretty much like what they tested.
    - yeukhon 13y ago
      The test indicates something more important than Window's performance and that is monothilic designer like Apple can in fact make a great product if the designer chooses to. If Windows were to make their own laptop and invest the same amount of resource into bothe software and hardware, the comparison will be more interesting. In essence, your average OEM does not do a great job. The capacitor, the transistors they use are probably way cheaper than what Apple have put into their MBA. That is expected because after all, your Dell computer is not going to cost $1499.

Touche 13y ago

Yes, of course, Windows can be comparable on similar capacities. Does this need to be stated? Go read the reviews of some Acer or Samsung laptops. Extrapolating the problems of the Surface 2 to all computers with the same OS doesn't make sense. Microsoft isn't experienced at making computers, shouldn't be a surprise that they are bad at it right now.

adolph 13y ago
The article's point was that on closely comparable hardware doing nearly the same task, the operating system seems to make a significant difference in battery power. Maybe other Windows PC makers are more experienced in making efficient drivers and tuning the OS delivered on disk? In a couple of reviews I read, that isn't the case: First Samsung laptop review I read, a NP900X3E-K01US with a 44 Wh battery: ...battery life is disappointing for such an expensive laptop... [1] Second, a Dell XPS 12 review: 50WHr battery ... Wi-Fi browsing test ... seven hours and 58 minutes [1] http://www.cnet.com/laptops/samsung-ativ-book-9/4505-3121_7-35821000.html http://www.cnet.com/laptops/samsung-ativ-book-9/4505-3121_7-... [2] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/review-xps-12s-haswell-upgrade-improves-an-already-good-convertible-pc/2/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/review-xps-12s-haswel...
rwolf 13y ago
I'm puzzled, your comments seem to claim simultaneously that: * There is not a battery life problem on Windows machines. * The battery life problem on Windows machines is not surprising.
- Touche 13y ago
  No, I didn't say #2, I said it's not surprising that the Surface Pro gets poor battery life. My comment about this whole controversy is that you cannot project 1 computer's battery problems to the operating system. My Windows does get poor battery life but we haven't seen any evidence of that. Clearly it can get good battery life as there are real-life computers running Windows that get great battery life.