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Population (in millions): USA 316.8 Canada: 35.1 Southern North America: 176.6 Northern part of South America: ? Southern part of South America: ?
by sjwright 13y ago
Population (in millions):
USA 316.8
Canada: 35.1
Southern North America: 176.6
Northern part of South America: ?
Southern part of South America: ?
...South America: 387.4
UK: 62.2
Scandinavia: 25.7
Western Europe (excl. UK): 278.7
Eastern Europe: 176.7
Southern Europe / Mediterranean Europe: 153.5
Russia: 142.2
Northern Africa: ?
Southern Africa: ?
...Africa: 1032.5
Middle East: 370.9
India: 1210.2
China: 1353.8
South East Asia: 610.0
Australia and New Zealand: 35.6
Japan: 126.6
South Korea: 50.2
Other: ?
- danmaz74 13y agoI'm curious, which Countries did you consider for Western Europe, and Which for Southern/Mediterranean Europe?
- sjwright 13y agoI tried to follow Wikipedia as closely as possible, but stupidly didn't keep my workings. My starting point was the full list for Europe. From there I split off UK, then split off Scandanavia, then split off Southern Europe, then worked out a plausible split for the remaining western and eastern. For example, Czech fell into my eastern pile, but could have easily gone the other way... I didn't even bother trying to bisect Africa or South America, as I couldn't find any evidence for such canonical bisections. Political geography is tedious.
- danmaz74 13y agoOk, thanks for the answer. So "Western Europe excl UK" is actually "Western Europe excl UK and Southern Europe" :)
- sjwright 13y agoHow about this as a proposed breakdown: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmufGoZ--XWedHFUTW00bTJadENxMUtWUU1SbjFoclE&usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmufGoZ--XWedHF...
- danmaz74 13y agoLooks like a fair solution, but the problem remains with the OP - I'm from Italy, if I see "Western Europe excl. Uk" I tick it, but then I would also need to tick "Southern Europe" ;)
- sjwright 13y agoI used this as a basis (but had to shuffle around Northern countries to achieve a clean Scandinavia break): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Eu...
- nfg 13y agoIreland is not in the UK.
- sjwright 13y agoCorrected.
- igravious 13y agoIf you mean the British Isles (Ireland and the UK) then say the British Isles. UK is not shorthand for British Isles. Clue is in the name: United _Kingdom_ = monarchy, Ireland is a republic.
- lucideer 13y agoEven that might be controversial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute
- lwinkler 13y agoPlease don't put Switzerland in Scandinavia. It is not the same as Sweden.
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- duncanawoods 13y agoI expect this will skew results. Germany, France etc. will be turned-off or even insulted by the grouping and feel less impulse to represent than the named countries where a little nationalistic pride will be a motivator. The reason for this turn-off is somewhat justified by your language - bother, pile, tedious etc. You must be American - jk!
- p4bl0 13y agoI also didn't know. I first voted for "Western Europe". And then I saw the "Southern/Mediterranean Europe" possibility and felt that it fits better so I voted for that one too.
- danmaz74 13y agoOn the other hand, if France isn't "Western Europe", who is? By the way, a maybe simpler, and for sure more objective division could have been between "EU" and "Non-EU Europe"
- p4bl0 13y ago> On the other hand, if France isn't "Western Europe", who is? Well, it really depends on where in France. Even culturally (except for the language), people in cities which are in the South of France such as Marseille are much closer to Spanish / Italians / Maghrebians than to other French from Paris on many points.
- elyobo 13y agoI'm not sure where your numbers come from, but they're overestimating Australia + NZ by around a quarter. From Wikipedia, NZ ~4.7 million, AU ~23.2 million, total ~28 million.
- sjwright 13y agoI used Oceania, because the poll was implied to also mean "Australasia", which is a geographically vague term, but is commonly known to be very inclusive.
- zizee 13y agoAh, ok, I believe Oceania also includes Papua New Guinea and Polynesian islands, so Oceania is a bit bigger than Australasia.
- zizee 13y agoPopulation of Australia 22.68 million Population of New Zealand 4.433 million Where did the extra 8.5 million come from?
- wattson12 13y agoThe poll says Australasia, which includes Papua New Guinea (pop 7.4M), the rest would be from the smaller island nations I guess
- thmcmahon 13y agoRidiculous to include PNG.
- zizee 13y agoInteresting, I didn't know that Papua New Guinea was sometimes/often included in Australasia. It seems that the definition of Australasia differ when talking geopolitically vs Ecologically. I think it is a mistake to include PNG with Australia/NZ as they are so fundamentally different that to group them together hides interesting information.
- sjwright 13y agoHacker News voters# per million: pop/mil votes density -------------------------------------- Canada 35.1 284 8.09 Australia/NZ 35.6* 283 7.95 Scandinavia 25.7 151 5.88 USA 316.8 1817 5.74 UK 62.2 190 3.05 Western Europe 278.7 363 1.30 Eastern Europe 176.7 155 0.88 Southern Europe 153.5 65 0.42 Japan 126.6 34 0.27 South America 387.4 71^ 0.18 Russia 142.2 26 0.18 South East Asia 610.0 110 0.18 India 1210.2 196 0.16 Southern North Am 176.6 25 0.14 South Korea 50.2 7 0.14 Middle East 370.9 40 0.11 China 1353.8 61 0.05 Africa 1032.5 26^ 0.03 # As at time of posting * Australia/NZ population is treated as Oceania, as the original survey implied Australasia. ^ Combined votes for northern and southern regions.
- flexie 13y agoNot surprisingly it follows English language spread quite closely. The top 5 consists of English speaking countries and Scandinavia (where everybody speaks English as a second language). If the Netherlands had been singled out from Western Europe I would expect to see the density high there as well.
- AYBABTME 13y agoI wonder if this high density of Canadian is a new thing. If so, it would correlate will recent feeling that HN's quality has been dropping. And we all know that correlation is causality.
- AYBABTME 13y agoFor the records; This was meant as a joke, I'm canadian myself. Arguably it was not very clear or funny.
- sjwright 13y agoUpdated results[0]# pop/mil votes density ---------------------------------------- Australia/NZ 27.6* 351 12.7 Canada 35.1 385 11.0 Scanda-Nordic 26.2 279 10.6 UK 63.8 497 7.8 USA 316.8 2445 7.7 Europe Western 191.5 719 3.8 Europe Eastern 161.0 254 1.6 Europe Southern 151.2 138 0.9 Russia 143.5 49 0.3 Japan 127.2 42 0.3 South America 402.8 133^ 0.3 South Korea 50.2 14 0.3 India 1235.3 288 0.2 South East Asia 602.4 129 0.2 Southern North Am 203.0 34 0.2 Other 320.9 49 0.2 Middle East 515.7 64 0.1 China 1391.6 81 0.1 Africa 1085.4 57^ 0.1 # As at time of posting * Australia/NZ population is NOT treated as Oceania, because on reflection I don't think Oceanic voters would have picked the question as posed. Oceania has been rolled into 'other'. ^ Combined votes for northern and southern regions. [0] Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmufGoZ--XWedHFUTW00bTJadENxMUtWUU1SbjFoclE&usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmufGoZ--XWedHF...