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I like how the article skims over the fact that teachers are underpaid.

gaius 17y ago
In the UK we often hear of nurses and firemen being underpaid, and regardless of the inherent virtue of those jobs (such as it is) the fact is, both are oversubscribed. The only true sign a job is underpaid is that it's impossible to recruit anyone to do it.
- yardie 17y ago
  I agree with you on the fireman, but you are the first person in the UK that says they more than enough nurses. I do know there are different type of nurses though. My grandmother is a semi-retired CPN (think private nurse). She prefers it this way because she chooses when to work and gets paid good money for the few hours she does do. Washing the backside of old people can be pretty damn numbing after a while. But she did put 4 daughters through college this way. My aunt was an ER nurse who moved into private practice (plastic surgery scrub nurse). Her former hospital calls her on occassion and ups the compensation. I figure if you have to call old employees and promise more money than that is a sign someone is underpaid. Note, a scrub nurse requires a MS.N. and certs out the wazoo. Those are hard to come by because there aren't enough teachers.
  - gaius 17y ago
    But there are - it's all over the news, newly qualified nurses and midwives can't find jobs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7304537.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7304537.stm High unemployment (despite the wider economy - the BBC has stories like this going back to 2003) and low wages is classic oversupply.
mynameishere 17y ago
You're basing this on what? I'll assume "romantic fantasy" since private school teachers, hired through the free market, evidently get paid less (though the data is murky).
- biotech 17y ago
  Great teachers are often willing to sacrifice pay for the ability to teach at a great school, to be allowed to teach to the best of their abilities, to be able to hold their students to a higher standard.
biotech 17y ago
Actually, one of the major problems in filling teaching jobs in the USA is the hiring process itself. If schools organized their hiring processes better, they could create a pool of qualified teachers looking for a job. As it happens, it's very difficult to navigate the job search and hiring processes at individual schools. The result: a lot of out of work teachers, and a lot of open positions for teachers.
- torr 17y ago
  What? No. It's quite easy for teachers to locate a school that's looking for them. The state teacher's union usually has a website listing jobs and everyone just uses that one single website.
- menloparkbum 17y ago
  Where? My brother is a high school teacher and since he's got a math and science background he practically gets hired sight unseen.

gaius 17y ago

In the UK we often hear of nurses and firemen being underpaid, and regardless of the inherent virtue of those jobs (such as it is) the fact is, both are oversubscribed. The only true sign a job is underpaid is that it's impossible to recruit anyone to do it.

yardie 17y ago
I agree with you on the fireman, but you are the first person in the UK that says they more than enough nurses. I do know there are different type of nurses though. My grandmother is a semi-retired CPN (think private nurse). She prefers it this way because she chooses when to work and gets paid good money for the few hours she does do. Washing the backside of old people can be pretty damn numbing after a while. But she did put 4 daughters through college this way. My aunt was an ER nurse who moved into private practice (plastic surgery scrub nurse). Her former hospital calls her on occassion and ups the compensation. I figure if you have to call old employees and promise more money than that is a sign someone is underpaid. Note, a scrub nurse requires a MS.N. and certs out the wazoo. Those are hard to come by because there aren't enough teachers.
- gaius 17y ago
  But there are - it's all over the news, newly qualified nurses and midwives can't find jobs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7304537.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7304537.stm High unemployment (despite the wider economy - the BBC has stories like this going back to 2003) and low wages is classic oversupply.

mynameishere 17y ago

You're basing this on what? I'll assume "romantic fantasy" since private school teachers, hired through the free market, evidently get paid less (though the data is murky).

biotech 17y ago
Great teachers are often willing to sacrifice pay for the ability to teach at a great school, to be allowed to teach to the best of their abilities, to be able to hold their students to a higher standard.

biotech 17y ago

Actually, one of the major problems in filling teaching jobs in the USA is the hiring process itself. If schools organized their hiring processes better, they could create a pool of qualified teachers looking for a job. As it happens, it's very difficult to navigate the job search and hiring processes at individual schools. The result: a lot of out of work teachers, and a lot of open positions for teachers.

torr 17y ago
What? No. It's quite easy for teachers to locate a school that's looking for them. The state teacher's union usually has a website listing jobs and everyone just uses that one single website.
menloparkbum 17y ago
Where? My brother is a high school teacher and since he's got a math and science background he practically gets hired sight unseen.