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My experience as a Wikipedian suggests that Wikipedia's administrators need to be much more alert than they have been to the possibility that the Wikipedians mo
by tokenadult 13y ago
My experience as a Wikipedian suggests that Wikipedia's administrators need to be much more alert than they have been to the possibility that the Wikipedians motivated by money (or by ideological bias) will stay with the project and persist in making edits contrary to Wikipedia policy. They edit more articles, and edit in greater numbers, than most admins guess or notice. And the point-of-view-pushing editors often inject so much wikidrama into discussions about how to improve articles that they drive away the participation of conscientious editors who know reliable sources about the article topics.
A current example is the article on Rupert Sheldrake,[1] which has recently been subjected to vigorous edit-warring, perhaps as part of a publicity campaign by followers of Sheldrake. (I just saw a new book by Sheldrake at a library yesterday, and perhaps that book's publication set the timing for the editing push.) But there are examples like this all over Wikipedia, and, again, I think most casual users of Wikipedia massively underestimate the percentage of articles that are edited mostly in the interest of pushing a point of view for commercial or ideological reasons.
The article kindly submitted here says, "Anyone can edit Wikipedia, but only a carefully vetted few are promoted to admin status on the site." And that is laughable. Describing the current group of Wikipedia as "a carefully vetted few" does violence to the English language. Nothing has ever been careful about the process for checking the background of administrator candidates or choosing which candidates become administrators. There are some very, very, very good administrators on Wikipedia (just as there are many very helpful everyday volunteer editors), but there are other administrators who are power trips to maintain conduct contrary to Wikipedia policies for building a good, free online encyclopedia. The Vice article submitted here does, at least, link to an Atlantic article[2] reporting that Wikipedia's rate of bringing new administrators on board is slowing. At least some of the administrators have been caught taking payoffs for editing articles to publicize the persons making the payoffs, so it will take more than just the current administrators being more alert to fix this problem on Wikipedia.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake
[2] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/3-charts-that-show-how-wikipedia-is-running-out-of-admins/259829/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/3-char...
- kops 13y agoI look at wikipedia as a cafe where intellectuals come and chat. Do I want to continue listening to this chatter? Hell Yes. Nothing else comes even close in terms accessibility. Will I stake my life on the information taken from wikipedia? Absolutely not. I wouldn't even cite it as a reference anywhere.
- tokenadult 13y agoIf intellectuals were the only people chatting on Wikipedia, I would like Wikipedia even better than I like Hacker News.
- benched 13y agoI like Wikipedia 100x better than Hacker News. 50% of the chatter here is robots repeating: logical fallacy, citation needed, not science, anecdote detected!, over and over. Like broken clocks, they may be right sometimes; but that is far from my idea of intellectual. 30% is short comments that don't add much, like this one. (Notably, that's up from 1% about 4 years ago.) I'm only here for the last 20% or so.
- kops 13y agoSame here. HN still requires some energy on my part to parse the information as there is a significant amount of noise on account of self promotion/PR. On wikipedia my hit rate is almost 100%. I usually get what I want...
- kops 13y agoSurrounding yourself selectively with intellectuals, is a luxury only super rich can afford(or can they?). I can live with a little bit of bias, PR or bullshit here and there. Of course, I assume, probably incorrectly, that I can tell the difference ;-)
- agent00f 13y agoThere are generally two types of "editors" on wiki. The talent who contribute content, and the bureaucrats who do administration. Some of first type are intellectuals, and most all the latter are anything but. Much of the internal conflict within wiki exist because the power rests with the bureaucrats but they often lack the domain expertise to appreciate much less write the material people come to the site for. So whenever there's contention over content, it quickly turns into contention over people, and it's not hard to figure out who wins in such a conflict.