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Glad to see some people are still using AfterStep. We put a lot of work into that - it was running just fine on my Toshiba 110CS, the main devel computer I used

by guylhem 13y ago

Glad to see some people are still using AfterStep. We put a lot of work into that - it was running just fine on my Toshiba 110CS, the main devel computer I used back in 2001 (and it was dated even back then - http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/8728/Toshiba-Satellite-110CS-810/ http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/8728/Toshiba-Satellit...) It was really fast and optimized back then. It should be blazing fast on modern hardware. EDIT - the review on http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=310500#p310500 http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=310500#p31050... mentions a slow start. Weird. It was globally as fast as fvwm and fvwm2, unless one started too many modules. I remember because I used them as benchmarks.

pjmlp 13y ago
It was my window manager around 1997-99.
agumonkey 13y ago
100MHz Pentium, what a nice constraint to work with.
- chrissmeuk 13y ago
  A 100Mhz Pentium is a pretty fast machine believe it or not. I survived for a couple of years in the early 00's on a 133Mhz machine I found in a skip and chucked FreeBSD on it. I reckon I could get some mileage out of one even today.
- endgame 13y ago
  Why is chrissmeuk's reply to you [dead], I wonder?
  - agumonkey 13y ago
    I don't know HN enough to guess, I was surprised too since it's dead but not removed so it asks for replies but (at least) I can't do that. I upvoted it in case it just needed to be in the positive, with no visible effect. Maybe he trolled on another thread and was punished ... anyway @chrissmeuk I understand pentium 100 are nice little cpus, I used a p2 350 for a loooong time, and I miss it a great deal since it was a real workhorse. And to clarify my first comment, I wish more people were programming on old machines, it's a good thing to avoid bloat.
    - guylhem 13y ago
      Indeed, working on a slow machine is the best thing one can do to produce optimized code. At the moment I'm using a macbookair3.1 with 4 gigs of ram- and it might even be too fast IMHO to add good constaints.
      - agumonkey 13y ago
        this would be adequate specs to run dev VMs though
  - andrewflnr 13y ago
    chrissmeuk has a pretty innocuous (and short) comment history (https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=chrissmeuk https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=chrissmeuk). The only visible clue is that someone accused them of being a Microsoft shill, and maybe someone pulled out the hellban hammer in response. There's clearly something fishy going on, on one side or another.
    - endgame 13y ago
      I've been browsing with showdead on for a while now and more and more I see quite reasonable-looking posts that have become [dead]. My hypothesis is a little more charitable: people just get caught by some semi-automatic filter and get accidentally hellbanned. Which is still a problem. Then I post and hardly ever get responses or upvotes, which makes me wonder if: a) I'm hellbanned myself b) I'm a victim of my timezone c) My writing is not as useful as I think
      - agumonkey 13y ago
        a) you're alive in my world (or maybe we're both hellbanned and it's hidden from us) b,c) combination of both. Internet is chaotic, I submitted nice links that had <10 votes and no comments, while a trivial one about a cute css button got 500+ ...
dredmorbius 13y ago
My read on AfterStep was that it was a wrapper / based on fvwm, is that accurate? I tried it but found WindowMaker more internally consistent. In fact, I'm still using it, some 16 years later.
- guylhem 13y ago
  It was based on fvwm code, but it evolved independently. What was good is that it enabled fvwm modules to be ported very easily. Good memories from a long time ago (started doing that in 1997 ... wow! cf http://www.afterstep.org/visualdoc.php?show=copyright&sub=old http://www.afterstep.org/visualdoc.php?show=copyright&sub=ol...)

by guylhem 13y ago

pjmlp 13y ago

It was my window manager around 1997-99.

agumonkey 13y ago

100MHz Pentium, what a nice constraint to work with.

chrissmeuk 13y ago
A 100Mhz Pentium is a pretty fast machine believe it or not. I survived for a couple of years in the early 00's on a 133Mhz machine I found in a skip and chucked FreeBSD on it. I reckon I could get some mileage out of one even today.
endgame 13y ago
Why is chrissmeuk's reply to you [dead], I wonder?
- agumonkey 13y ago
  I don't know HN enough to guess, I was surprised too since it's dead but not removed so it asks for replies but (at least) I can't do that. I upvoted it in case it just needed to be in the positive, with no visible effect. Maybe he trolled on another thread and was punished ... anyway @chrissmeuk I understand pentium 100 are nice little cpus, I used a p2 350 for a loooong time, and I miss it a great deal since it was a real workhorse. And to clarify my first comment, I wish more people were programming on old machines, it's a good thing to avoid bloat.
  - guylhem 13y ago
    Indeed, working on a slow machine is the best thing one can do to produce optimized code. At the moment I'm using a macbookair3.1 with 4 gigs of ram- and it might even be too fast IMHO to add good constaints.
    - agumonkey 13y ago
      this would be adequate specs to run dev VMs though
- andrewflnr 13y ago
  chrissmeuk has a pretty innocuous (and short) comment history (https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=chrissmeuk https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=chrissmeuk). The only visible clue is that someone accused them of being a Microsoft shill, and maybe someone pulled out the hellban hammer in response. There's clearly something fishy going on, on one side or another.
  - endgame 13y ago
    I've been browsing with showdead on for a while now and more and more I see quite reasonable-looking posts that have become [dead]. My hypothesis is a little more charitable: people just get caught by some semi-automatic filter and get accidentally hellbanned. Which is still a problem. Then I post and hardly ever get responses or upvotes, which makes me wonder if: a) I'm hellbanned myself b) I'm a victim of my timezone c) My writing is not as useful as I think
    - agumonkey 13y ago
      a) you're alive in my world (or maybe we're both hellbanned and it's hidden from us) b,c) combination of both. Internet is chaotic, I submitted nice links that had <10 votes and no comments, while a trivial one about a cute css button got 500+ ...

dredmorbius 13y ago

My read on AfterStep was that it was a wrapper / based on fvwm, is that accurate? I tried it but found WindowMaker more internally consistent. In fact, I'm still using it, some 16 years later.

guylhem 13y ago
It was based on fvwm code, but it evolved independently. What was good is that it enabled fvwm modules to be ported very easily. Good memories from a long time ago (started doing that in 1997 ... wow! cf http://www.afterstep.org/visualdoc.php?show=copyright&sub=old http://www.afterstep.org/visualdoc.php?show=copyright&sub=ol...)