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I feel like this has been posted 100 times on here and /r/programming. Anyways, if you don't know vim, I wouldn't waste your time learning. It is a better way o

by qqqw 13y ago

I feel like this has been posted 100 times on here and /r/programming. Anyways, if you don't know vim, I wouldn't waste your time learning. It is a better way of editing text than chord based editors, but ide's are much nicer tools for development. And if you're using one, there's going to be significant mousing around anyways, and none of emulation modes are that great for the non text editing/navigation stuff.

bcrescimanno 13y ago
Without getting drawn into a lengthy and long-winded debate, I'll simply state: "Development" is a loaded word given your usage. As such, I disagree that IDEs are "much nicer tools for development."
burntsushi 13y ago
> there's going to be significant mousing around anyways Which is one of the many reasons why people (including myself) don't consider IDEs as a nicer tool for the job. > but ide's are much nicer tools for development Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.
- qqqw 13y ago
  Don't get me wrong, ide's are terrible, they're just better than anything else we have right now. And I'm someone who has programmed with vim and plugins, bash and friends, etc. for 10+ years, so it's not like I've only used ide's. Writing code can be fine with the more minimalist approach, but ide's are much better for reading and navigating previously written code. > Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does. ? Of course, it's just my opinion.
  - burntsushi 13y ago
    Here's a friendly piece of advice: distinguish claims that are opinion or personal preference from statements of fact. This is mundane: "IDEs work much better for me." This is controversial (and probably silly): "IDEs are the best." Maybe the intent is obvious, but it wasn't to me and at least one other poster.
tokipin 13y ago
VsVim: http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329 http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...
- qqqw 13y ago
  Eh, I used ViEmu for a few years which is supposed to be better? It had problems with ctr-i/ctrl-o and switching tabs and some other stuff stuff as well.

by qqqw 13y ago

bcrescimanno 13y ago

Without getting drawn into a lengthy and long-winded debate, I'll simply state: "Development" is a loaded word given your usage. As such, I disagree that IDEs are "much nicer tools for development."

burntsushi 13y ago

> there's going to be significant mousing around anyways Which is one of the many reasons why people (including myself) don't consider IDEs as a nicer tool for the job. > but ide's are much nicer tools for development Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.

qqqw 13y ago
Don't get me wrong, ide's are terrible, they're just better than anything else we have right now. And I'm someone who has programmed with vim and plugins, bash and friends, etc. for 10+ years, so it's not like I've only used ide's. Writing code can be fine with the more minimalist approach, but ide's are much better for reading and navigating previously written code. > Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does. ? Of course, it's just my opinion.
- burntsushi 13y ago
  Here's a friendly piece of advice: distinguish claims that are opinion or personal preference from statements of fact. This is mundane: "IDEs work much better for me." This is controversial (and probably silly): "IDEs are the best." Maybe the intent is obvious, but it wasn't to me and at least one other poster.

tokipin 13y ago

VsVim: http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329 http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...

qqqw 13y ago
Eh, I used ViEmu for a few years which is supposed to be better? It had problems with ctr-i/ctrl-o and switching tabs and some other stuff stuff as well.