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If IE weren't so horrible, people wouldn't have to program so defensively for it. It's kind of like Office... the tiniest delay causes it to throw up dialogs s

If IE weren't so horrible, people wouldn't have to program so defensively for it. It's kind of like Office... the tiniest delay causes it to throw up dialogs saying that it's not responding, and as soon as that happens the typical non-expert user nukes it, and restarts Windows. I've watched it happen. This is what they expect. We have a whole generation of computer users used to this kind of crap: Microsoft software sucks and you expect it to constantly misbehave, and randomly change, and must be constantly on guard to prevent it from causing problems. Even if this was Google's fault, I really don't blame them.

AaronFriel 13y ago
Well that's just irrational - argumentum ad hominem tu quoque. Aka, the "and you too!" fallacy. The idea that Microsoft's wrongs justify alleged Google wrongs is wrong.
- InclinedPlane 13y ago
  I don't think ConceptJunkie is implying that google was acting in bad faith, just that, perhaps, they were trying to optimize their page for IE and didn't get it right, causing the latest IE to choke.
  - KimberlyJClark 13y ago
    my classmate's mother-in-law makes $67 an hour on the computer. She has been fired for 7 months but last month her pay check was $18297 just working on the computer for a few hours. this page ========================== http://WWW.Works23.Com http://WWW.Works23.Com
wfunction 13y ago
> We have a whole generation of computer users used to this kind of crap: Microsoft software sucks Whose software doesn't suck, in your opinion?
- webreac 13y ago
  Sun, ... I can not find any other compagny that have produced repeatedly software that did not suck (NFS, NIS, SunOS, SunWindows, Java).
  - Nitramp 13y ago
    NFS, really? An attempt to abstract over network semantics using the same API as regular file systems, leading to random performance, a heap of locking issues, and all kinds of mayhem? Sun indeed produced a lot of really great software, but I wouldn't count NFS amongst that.
    - sillysaurus2 13y ago
      I think they were joking, maybe?
  - smtddr 13y ago
    Heh, you have not lived until a stale NFS mount takes down your whole server. Trying "sudo umount" on it, the umount command will not return and even "sudo kill -9" can't stop it[1]. A soft reboot can't fix it either; "sudo reboot" will hang the whole machine waiting for that NFS mount to respond to some deep kernel I/O call. You have to cut the power.... (This was HP_UX in 2003'ish) 1. http://askubuntu.com/questions/87074/how-to-kill-the-process-that-sudo-kill-9-cant-kill-without-reboot http://askubuntu.com/questions/87074/how-to-kill-the-process...
  - panzi 13y ago
    You mention NFS but not ZFS?
  - wfunction 13y ago
    ... Java?! Did you have C# in mind when you said that??
elorant 13y ago
Another Microsoft hater. I really don't understand how comments like this get upvoted so much. There's not a single fact in the whole fraking comment. Just a personal rant. HN starts to look a lot like reddit.
- sillysaurus2 13y ago
  The opposition could now say the same thing on the opposite end: Hey look, another Microsoft apologist. Hating on Microsoft and complaining about the hate are two sides of the same unconstructive coin.
  - functional_test 13y ago
    Maybe I misread the parent, but I took it less as a defense of Microsoft, and more as a meta-comment about the frequency of comments which have no actual substance beyond opinion.
3327 13y ago
Well IE may not be so good I agree, but this does not mean that GOogle has no blame. I have experiences first hand Gmail responding with CSS exceptions to an IE browser and not to Chrome/Firefox. To validate my suspicion I revisited the site using IE emulation mode emulating firefox and everything was fine. So TBH when MS got slapped with the massive EU antitrust fine years back because of IE, that is being done today from a User experience perspective undermining the experience on certain browsers. This is just one example I am nor pro Microsoft or Google I am sure they both do it in one way or another but the fact is this kind of practice exists on both sides.
kunai 13y ago
Is it just me or is it really cool to pick strawmen just to insult Microsoft?

AaronFriel 13y ago

Well that's just irrational - argumentum ad hominem tu quoque. Aka, the "and you too!" fallacy. The idea that Microsoft's wrongs justify alleged Google wrongs is wrong.

InclinedPlane 13y ago
I don't think ConceptJunkie is implying that google was acting in bad faith, just that, perhaps, they were trying to optimize their page for IE and didn't get it right, causing the latest IE to choke.
- KimberlyJClark 13y ago
  my classmate's mother-in-law makes $67 an hour on the computer. She has been fired for 7 months but last month her pay check was $18297 just working on the computer for a few hours. this page ========================== http://WWW.Works23.Com http://WWW.Works23.Com

wfunction 13y ago

> We have a whole generation of computer users used to this kind of crap: Microsoft software sucks Whose software doesn't suck, in your opinion?

webreac 13y ago
Sun, ... I can not find any other compagny that have produced repeatedly software that did not suck (NFS, NIS, SunOS, SunWindows, Java).
- Nitramp 13y ago
  NFS, really? An attempt to abstract over network semantics using the same API as regular file systems, leading to random performance, a heap of locking issues, and all kinds of mayhem? Sun indeed produced a lot of really great software, but I wouldn't count NFS amongst that.
  - sillysaurus2 13y ago
    I think they were joking, maybe?
- smtddr 13y ago
  Heh, you have not lived until a stale NFS mount takes down your whole server. Trying "sudo umount" on it, the umount command will not return and even "sudo kill -9" can't stop it[1]. A soft reboot can't fix it either; "sudo reboot" will hang the whole machine waiting for that NFS mount to respond to some deep kernel I/O call. You have to cut the power.... (This was HP_UX in 2003'ish) 1. http://askubuntu.com/questions/87074/how-to-kill-the-process-that-sudo-kill-9-cant-kill-without-reboot http://askubuntu.com/questions/87074/how-to-kill-the-process...
- panzi 13y ago
  You mention NFS but not ZFS?
- wfunction 13y ago
  ... Java?! Did you have C# in mind when you said that??

elorant 13y ago

Another Microsoft hater. I really don't understand how comments like this get upvoted so much. There's not a single fact in the whole fraking comment. Just a personal rant. HN starts to look a lot like reddit.

sillysaurus2 13y ago
The opposition could now say the same thing on the opposite end: Hey look, another Microsoft apologist. Hating on Microsoft and complaining about the hate are two sides of the same unconstructive coin.
- functional_test 13y ago
  Maybe I misread the parent, but I took it less as a defense of Microsoft, and more as a meta-comment about the frequency of comments which have no actual substance beyond opinion.

3327 13y ago

Well IE may not be so good I agree, but this does not mean that GOogle has no blame. I have experiences first hand Gmail responding with CSS exceptions to an IE browser and not to Chrome/Firefox. To validate my suspicion I revisited the site using IE emulation mode emulating firefox and everything was fine. So TBH when MS got slapped with the massive EU antitrust fine years back because of IE, that is being done today from a User experience perspective undermining the experience on certain browsers. This is just one example I am nor pro Microsoft or Google I am sure they both do it in one way or another but the fact is this kind of practice exists on both sides.

kunai 13y ago

Is it just me or is it really cool to pick strawmen just to insult Microsoft?