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Microsoft blames Google and makes 'adjustments' to IE11 on Windows 8.1
- YOSPOS 13y agoThere's enough smoke now that we can safely assume that all these actions by Google are to sabotage the experience on Microsoft products.
- SEMW 13y agoThe "action by Google" of maliciously adding themselves to a quirks-mode list[1] maintained solely by Microsoft, that Google had no access to or ability to add themselves to, when their website works perfectly well in IE11 if that list is disabled[2]? [1] "What appears to be happening here is that Google’s search engine has somehow been added to IE11′s Compatibility View list." [2] "Uncheck “Use Microsoft Compatibility lists” and Google’s search engine should work again."
- Locke1689 13y agoThat actually doesn't explain anything: "quirks" mode just emulates IE's old behavior and changes the user agent string to match. Old IE renders Google fine, so simply being in quirks mode shouldn't cause anything to break. Disclaimer: Work at MS, I can't even see IE from my building, etc, etc.
- AaronFriel 13y agoSlow down there - that list is hardly a "quirks-mode" list and there's no reason to believe a change in behavior was malicious by either party. You're assuming that list was recently changed by Microsoft for the purpose of what - ruining customer's experiences of using Windows 8.1? Tarnish Google's reputation? There are so many assumptions at work here that I don't think it's reasonable to conclude any malice.
- SEMW 13y ago> You're assuming that list was recently changed by Microsoft for the purpose of what - ruining customer's experiences of using Windows 8.1? Tarnish Google's reputation? I'm not assuming that, and I haven't concluded malice on MS's part. I worded the comment to emphasize the ridiculousness of concluding malice on Google's part, but didn't mean to imply I thought there was malice the other way. Apologies if I misled you. Relevant: Hanlon's razor[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
- AaronFriel 13y agoApologies to you then - and I'm fond of Hanlon's razor myself.
- jfoster 13y agoNot to mention the huge negative effect it must have on Google's short-term revenue to do such a thing intentionally. I suppose it could be argued that longer term it may make sense for Google to break IE in order to increase Chrome's market share, and thereby increase the number of users defaulted to Google search. Would be very risky, though.
- nolok 13y agoHave you read the article at all ? Google is set in IE's "compatibility mode" list. That means someone at Microsoft itself has made a mistake or has no faith in their browser rendering google's site properly in their normal rendering mode. Nothing in the article indicate that Google has done anything. You really shouldn't draw any conclusion about issues when you can't even bother to read the entire article.
- NathanKP 13y agoI sure hope this was meant to be sarcastic and isn't just a ridiculous attempt at spreading FUD.
- endianswap 13y agoHe's an obvious troll; his name is the name of the SomethingAwful techy-circlejerk sub-forum. YOSPOS: Your OS is a Piece Of Shit
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- AaronFriel 13y agoGoogle has certainly done that before (especially with Windows Phone) but we should probably give them the benefit of the doubt here. Is it really in Google's best interest to no longer effectively serve ads to their users? As others have suggested, this was probably an inadvertent change.
- ape4 13y agoIE stopped identifying itself as IE - that's confusing. (I know it didn't just happen in IE11 on Windows 8.1)
- nolok 13y agoWhile it can be confusing, that by itself should not be an issue for anyone, they did it to avoid all the older IE specific fix as they become compliant with a more recent set of standards, and any website should use feature detection rather than browser detection.
- shmichael 13y agofeature detection happens too late, if you want to serve fast.
- shmichael 13y agofeature detection happens too late, if you want to serve fast.
- shmichael 13y agofeature detection happens too late, if you want to serve fast.
- randomfool 13y agoI could have sworn that some compat modes fairly faithfully mimic the original version- to the point of dropping APIs such as addEventListener. So yes, you can use feature detection but if you get flagged by IE then you essentially need to code for IE7 or whatever.
- nilliams 13y agoThe feature detection mantra is true for you and me, but it's a leap to say you can apply the same tactic to a huge site like Google. Google isn't stupid, if they UA sniff, you can bet they have good reasons.
- gcb1 13y agobs. most fixes for ie are implemented with the conditional comment, maybe even one for each version of ie. loading a truckload of css. and honestly, for most cases feature detection is just an empty term. i agree with if t for javascript. but the rest is mostly impossible (or so much more work that it is i practical)
- moomin 13y agoI'm concluding that google put some code for older IE browsers on their page that isn't actually triggered by compliant browsers, but some automated detection program flagged it as having a legacy feature.
- sergers 13y agowould someone mind doing an analysis as per comments in the other thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6576521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6576521 im interested to see what changed now that MS "fixed" it. was the UA string mismatch updated? or did they just remove it from their compatibility list
- 3825 13y agoI may be reading too much into it but the following[0] just reads as entitled to me. > if Google had tested in IE11 and discovered all was great, it's very easy for them to contact us to remove them from the list [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6576981 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6576981
- ColinWright 13y agoI seem to have a panel on the left that is obscuring about half of the text. I'm sure that can't be the intention - is it yet another case of incredibly poor design? There appears to be no way to dismiss it, and it doesn't move. In short, I can't read the article, because someone wanted to be clever. Added in edit: It becomes visible if I reduce my text size, rendering the text visible, but difficult to read. Interesting trade-off.
- rst 13y agoOn my android browser, it obscures the entire text. I gather they don't believe in mobile first.
- jamesbritt 13y agoSame here. The next web apparently doesn't include mobile.
- deathanatos 13y agoThe whole article just doesn't render at all for me[1]. Another site that seems to want to cookie-track you. (Turning cookies on causes it to render.) [1]: http://i.imgur.com/4l9VB2l.png http://i.imgur.com/4l9VB2l.png
- Hellenion 13y agoCookies and javascript, that is.
- ConceptJunkie 13y agoIf IE weren't so horrible, people wouldn't have to program so defensively for it. It's kind of like Office... the tiniest delay causes it to throw up dialogs saying that it's not responding, and as soon as that happens the typical non-expert user nukes it, and restarts Windows. I've watched it happen. This is what they expect. We have a whole generation of computer users used to this kind of crap: Microsoft software sucks and you expect it to constantly misbehave, and randomly change, and must be constantly on guard to prevent it from causing problems. Even if this was Google's fault, I really don't blame them.
- AaronFriel 13y agoWell that's just irrational - argumentum ad hominem tu quoque. Aka, the "and you too!" fallacy. The idea that Microsoft's wrongs justify alleged Google wrongs is wrong.
- InclinedPlane 13y agoI don't think ConceptJunkie is implying that google was acting in bad faith, just that, perhaps, they were trying to optimize their page for IE and didn't get it right, causing the latest IE to choke.
- KimberlyJClark 13y agomy classmate's mother-in-law makes $67 an hour on the computer. She has been fired for 7 months but last month her pay check was $18297 just working on the computer for a few hours. this page ========================== http://WWW.Works23.Com http://WWW.Works23.Com
- wfunction 13y ago> We have a whole generation of computer users used to this kind of crap: Microsoft software sucks Whose software doesn't suck, in your opinion?
- webreac 13y ago
- RexRollman 13y agoPersonally speaking, I feel that the best thing about IE is that it can download Firefox.
- pycassa 13y agoHahahaha.. such a funny comment.
- dzhiurgis 13y agoHow do you stop people downloading Chrome? Break Google search.
- nivla 13y agoOr how do you get more people to download Chrome? Break the #1 search engine in IE. It could go both ways you know...
- vinceguidry 13y agoWeb surfers, like water and electricity, seek the path of least resistance. In this case this means another search engine rather than another browser.