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I had actually expected something for "real" code. (e.g. Scala, Go, younameit) While CSS3/HTML5 definitely made web design somewhat closer to actual coding (es

by th0br0 13y ago

I had actually expected something for "real" code. (e.g. Scala, Go, younameit) While CSS3/HTML5 definitely made web design somewhat closer to actual coding (esp. on the CSS end), I still find it difficult to call renderer instructions in a markup language true "code". However, this looks like an interesting tool! Too bad that you only seem to be aiming for OSX. Are ports planned?

namenotrequired 13y ago
Me too - I expected something about sketching / visualising how a programme works before you write it. :)
wasabian 13y ago
OSX and Windows seems to be the targeted platforms according to their Kickstarter FAQ. > We have no plans to bring Macaw to Linux at this time. Once the Mac and Windows versions are released we will look into Linux. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macaw/macaw-the-code-savvy-web-design-tool#project_faq_70302 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macaw/macaw-the-code-sav...
- th0br0 13y ago
  Thanks. I only saw the app store mention when you watch the preview video and thought it was OSX only.
- GhotiFish 13y ago
  I can understand not paying any mind to linux for other developers. It's a mostly unused platform for almost all demographics... except actual developers. This is not the kind of application I was expecting to "not support linux". That said, They're not actually supporting windows right now either, so I guess for designers only. Oh well.
hackula1 13y ago
The headline should replace "code" with "markup" for clarity.
- bryans 13y ago
  It's more than a submission title problem. The tagline they're using for the product is actually "the code-savvy web design tool". Perhaps I'm just an unreasonable person (it is just a single world, after all), but I have trouble getting behind any product for which the creators can't accurately describe.
icambron 13y ago
It's a textural representation of instructions for a computer; it's certainly code. I think the distinction you're looking for is whether writing HTML/CSS/etc constitutes programming or not. That's a recurring discussion on HN (I've personally come around to the view that it is).
- mikeash 13y ago
  Seems like a pointless definitional quibble. What matters is that when people see "code" used as a verb in this context on this site, they think of programming. Whether that's "what it means" or not doesn't really matter.
  - icambron 13y ago
    Descriptivism is all well and good, but I don't think your definition of the word is well established, even in this context. Did I miss a vote or something? What this whole thing sounds like is, "I unilaterally made up my own definition of a word and I will correct people who don't use it that way and everyone who disagrees with me is just quibbling." And regardless of the relative popularity of that usage, I can't see how I'm the one with the "pointless definitional quibble", since the context is someone calling out the author for using something other than their favorite definition of "code".
    - mikeash 13y ago
      Well, we'd have to poll the HN readership to make sure. However, do you really doubt that such a poll would result in anything better than, say, a 90/10 split in favor of "code means programming"? I mean, if you do doubt that, that's fair enough. I just thought it was pretty obvious that in this community the word was used in a pretty restrictive way (thus the post complaining about it) and broader meanings were only found elsewhere.
      - icambron 13y ago
        I do doubt that, especially if it were phrased as "Is CSS code?" or similar. Though now I'm curious...
lifeisstillgood 13y ago
Can I put in a vote for a language based entirely on anonymous lambda functions called 'younameit'? please :-)
turingbook 13y ago
According to the story by Pandodaily [1], "It’s a native OSX app, but it was built inside a customized version of Google’s Chrome browser. " I guess that it will be relatively easy to target Windows and Linux if they want. [1] http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/17/macaw-a-kickstarter-funded-design-tool-slips-into-the-space-between-photoshop-and-dreamweaver/ http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/17/macaw-a-kickstarter-funded-...
- dubcanada 13y ago
  I believe it is using CEF, so porting it to either OS's (including Linux) will be pretty easy.

by th0br0 13y ago

namenotrequired 13y ago

Me too - I expected something about sketching / visualising how a programme works before you write it. :)

wasabian 13y ago

OSX and Windows seems to be the targeted platforms according to their Kickstarter FAQ. > We have no plans to bring Macaw to Linux at this time. Once the Mac and Windows versions are released we will look into Linux. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macaw/macaw-the-code-savvy-web-design-tool#project_faq_70302 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macaw/macaw-the-code-sav...

th0br0 13y ago
Thanks. I only saw the app store mention when you watch the preview video and thought it was OSX only.
GhotiFish 13y ago
I can understand not paying any mind to linux for other developers. It's a mostly unused platform for almost all demographics... except actual developers. This is not the kind of application I was expecting to "not support linux". That said, They're not actually supporting windows right now either, so I guess for designers only. Oh well.

hackula1 13y ago

The headline should replace "code" with "markup" for clarity.

bryans 13y ago
It's more than a submission title problem. The tagline they're using for the product is actually "the code-savvy web design tool". Perhaps I'm just an unreasonable person (it is just a single world, after all), but I have trouble getting behind any product for which the creators can't accurately describe.

icambron 13y ago

It's a textural representation of instructions for a computer; it's certainly code. I think the distinction you're looking for is whether writing HTML/CSS/etc constitutes programming or not. That's a recurring discussion on HN (I've personally come around to the view that it is).

mikeash 13y ago
Seems like a pointless definitional quibble. What matters is that when people see "code" used as a verb in this context on this site, they think of programming. Whether that's "what it means" or not doesn't really matter.
- icambron 13y ago
  Descriptivism is all well and good, but I don't think your definition of the word is well established, even in this context. Did I miss a vote or something? What this whole thing sounds like is, "I unilaterally made up my own definition of a word and I will correct people who don't use it that way and everyone who disagrees with me is just quibbling." And regardless of the relative popularity of that usage, I can't see how I'm the one with the "pointless definitional quibble", since the context is someone calling out the author for using something other than their favorite definition of "code".
  - mikeash 13y ago
    Well, we'd have to poll the HN readership to make sure. However, do you really doubt that such a poll would result in anything better than, say, a 90/10 split in favor of "code means programming"? I mean, if you do doubt that, that's fair enough. I just thought it was pretty obvious that in this community the word was used in a pretty restrictive way (thus the post complaining about it) and broader meanings were only found elsewhere.
    - icambron 13y ago
      I do doubt that, especially if it were phrased as "Is CSS code?" or similar. Though now I'm curious...

lifeisstillgood 13y ago

Can I put in a vote for a language based entirely on anonymous lambda functions called 'younameit'? please :-)

turingbook 13y ago

According to the story by Pandodaily [1], "It’s a native OSX app, but it was built inside a customized version of Google’s Chrome browser. " I guess that it will be relatively easy to target Windows and Linux if they want. [1] http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/17/macaw-a-kickstarter-funded-design-tool-slips-into-the-space-between-photoshop-and-dreamweaver/ http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/17/macaw-a-kickstarter-funded-...

dubcanada 13y ago
I believe it is using CEF, so porting it to either OS's (including Linux) will be pretty easy.