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Sure: over 70% of Macs sold are notebooks. The only Macs that come with Apple branded mice are the iMac and Mac Pro. http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/26/notebook

Sure: over 70% of Macs sold are notebooks. The only Macs that come with Apple branded mice are the iMac and Mac Pro. http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/26/notebooks-now-make-up-over-70-percent-of-mac-sales/ http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/26/notebooks-now-make-up-over...

oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
Colour me surprised. Of course, some of those notebook owners will also use a mouse. And I'm speaking as a Mac Mini user with an Apple branded mouse, but I guess your original point probably stands. I wish I didn't have such a reliance on the mouse, but since transitioning from PC to Mac, one of the few persistent problems has been keyboard shortcut support. I can't tell if I've failed to learn sufficiently, or if it's just lacking, but certain applications - e.g. Finder - just seem to be impossible to navigate without a pointing device.
- kaolinite 13y ago
  Arrow-keys to move around, cmd+o to open and cmd+shift+g to go to a specific directory - what else do you need?
  - oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
    I always suffer problems when trying to move from the left-hand pane (e.g. where drives, bookmarked locations are) to the main pane.
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      Most items on the Finder Sidebar have their own keyboard shortcuts and are available from the Go menu. Here’s an overview: http://imgur.com/Ho0lfrt http://imgur.com/Ho0lfrt Here are some other solutions: http://superuser.com/questions/90378/ http://superuser.com/questions/90378/
  - tehwalrus 13y ago
    cmd+up takes you to the parent directory. (my most-used finder shortcut.)
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  > certain applications - e.g. Finder - just seem to be impossible to navigate without a pointing device. Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/uYDokqn.png http://i.imgur.com/uYDokqn.png
- tehwalrus 13y ago
  Have you installed Alfred[1]? (or Quicksilver[2]). I find I use these (Alfred now, formerly Quicksilver) to open the right finder window first time, eliminating the need for most uses of the controls on the windows. (also, once you install one of these you'll never need to open the /Applications directory again.) [1] http://www.alfredapp.com/ http://www.alfredapp.com/ [2] http://www.blacktree.com/ http://www.blacktree.com/
prof_hobart 13y ago
Just because a computer doesn't come with a mouse, that doesn't mean that the user isn't using a mouse. I've got a MacBook Pro and alternate between wireless Logitech mouse and touchpad depending on what I'm up to. I'm not saying that everyone does the same, but if you want to prove your assertion that most Mac users don't use mice, you'll need something more compelling than the fact that they don't ship with one.
- deleted 13y ago
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- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  Last year, Tim Cook said that 75% of all Macs sold are notebooks[1]. Not all Mac desktops come with a mouse. Of course, people can buy a mouse, be it for their desktop or notebook. Or they can buy a tablet, trackball or external trackpad. For mouse use on the Mac to be the most used input method, over one third of Mac notebook users would have to permanently use a mouse instead of the built-in trackpad. You can go to any Starbucks, airport, or school to see that that is not the case. [1] http://www.macworld.com/article/1167850/apple_revenue_profits_up_in_ipad_driven_quarter.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1167850/apple_revenue_profit...
  - oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
    Of course, sold != in use. Another assertion, but in my experience, desktops have a much longer lifetime than laptops. I think 'most used' is a bit of a diversion, since that's almost certainly the keyboard.
  - glomph 13y ago
    Nice sampling method!
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      Do you have a better idea where to find a lot of Mac notebooks in one place? (Besides in Apple Stores, that is.)
Kiro 13y ago
Almost everyone I know who are using Macbooks are also using Magic Mice (me and everyone at my job included).
j03w 13y ago
What about the prove for usage of contextual menu? I'm pretty sure people use it quite regularly especially when they are browsing the web, editing text in word processor, post processing images with Photoshop or editing video in Final Cut Pro. I for one, use it everyday to open links in a new tab. Cmd+click doesn't work on every website you know.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  Most Mac users don’t use Photoshop or Final Cut Pro. Most Mac users are not power users. Many don’t know about browser tabs, let alone how to open new ones with keyboard shortcuts or contextual menus. Savvy users use keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste text in a word processor, not so savvy users go to the Edit menu for every action. (I have no proof for any of this. I have watched all kinds of people use computers for 25 years, in all kinds of settings.)
- arnarbi 13y ago
  This is entirely my own empirical evidence (I worked tech support in a design house), but mac users seem to use keyboard shortcuts more than contextual menus. E.g. opening links in a new tab is command+click or alt+click, depending on the browser. I've worked a lot with FCP (and other editing suites) and PS, and everyone I see, especially pros, seems to make heavy use of keyboard shortcuts and modifiers, rather than fishing around in menus.
j03w 13y ago
What about the prove for usage of contextual menu? I'm pretty sure people use it quite regularly especially when they are browsing the web, editing text in word processor, post processing images with Photoshop or editing video in Final Cut Pro. I for one, use it everyday to open links in a new tab. Cmd+click doesn't work on every website you know.
j03w 13y ago
What about the prove for usage of contextual menu? I'm pretty sure people use it quite regularly especially when they are browsing the web, editing text in word processor, post processing images with Photoshop or editing video in Final Cut Pro. I for one, use it everyday to open links in a new tab. Cmd+click doesn't work on every website you know.
j03w 13y ago
What about the prove for usage of contextual menu? I'm pretty sure people use it quite regularly especially when they are browsing the web, editing text in word processor, post processing images with Photoshop or editing video in Final Cut Pro. I for one, use it everyday to open links in a new tab. Cmd+click doesn't work on every website you know.

oneeyedpigeon 13y ago

Colour me surprised. Of course, some of those notebook owners will also use a mouse. And I'm speaking as a Mac Mini user with an Apple branded mouse, but I guess your original point probably stands. I wish I didn't have such a reliance on the mouse, but since transitioning from PC to Mac, one of the few persistent problems has been keyboard shortcut support. I can't tell if I've failed to learn sufficiently, or if it's just lacking, but certain applications - e.g. Finder - just seem to be impossible to navigate without a pointing device.

kaolinite 13y ago
Arrow-keys to move around, cmd+o to open and cmd+shift+g to go to a specific directory - what else do you need?
- oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
  I always suffer problems when trying to move from the left-hand pane (e.g. where drives, bookmarked locations are) to the main pane.
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    Most items on the Finder Sidebar have their own keyboard shortcuts and are available from the Go menu. Here’s an overview: http://imgur.com/Ho0lfrt http://imgur.com/Ho0lfrt Here are some other solutions: http://superuser.com/questions/90378/ http://superuser.com/questions/90378/
- tehwalrus 13y ago
  cmd+up takes you to the parent directory. (my most-used finder shortcut.)
Samuel_Michon 13y ago
> certain applications - e.g. Finder - just seem to be impossible to navigate without a pointing device. Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/uYDokqn.png http://i.imgur.com/uYDokqn.png
tehwalrus 13y ago
Have you installed Alfred[1]? (or Quicksilver[2]). I find I use these (Alfred now, formerly Quicksilver) to open the right finder window first time, eliminating the need for most uses of the controls on the windows. (also, once you install one of these you'll never need to open the /Applications directory again.) [1] http://www.alfredapp.com/ http://www.alfredapp.com/ [2] http://www.blacktree.com/ http://www.blacktree.com/

prof_hobart 13y ago

Just because a computer doesn't come with a mouse, that doesn't mean that the user isn't using a mouse. I've got a MacBook Pro and alternate between wireless Logitech mouse and touchpad depending on what I'm up to. I'm not saying that everyone does the same, but if you want to prove your assertion that most Mac users don't use mice, you'll need something more compelling than the fact that they don't ship with one.

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Samuel_Michon 13y ago
Last year, Tim Cook said that 75% of all Macs sold are notebooks[1]. Not all Mac desktops come with a mouse. Of course, people can buy a mouse, be it for their desktop or notebook. Or they can buy a tablet, trackball or external trackpad. For mouse use on the Mac to be the most used input method, over one third of Mac notebook users would have to permanently use a mouse instead of the built-in trackpad. You can go to any Starbucks, airport, or school to see that that is not the case. [1] http://www.macworld.com/article/1167850/apple_revenue_profits_up_in_ipad_driven_quarter.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1167850/apple_revenue_profit...
- oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
  Of course, sold != in use. Another assertion, but in my experience, desktops have a much longer lifetime than laptops. I think 'most used' is a bit of a diversion, since that's almost certainly the keyboard.
- glomph 13y ago
  Nice sampling method!
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    Do you have a better idea where to find a lot of Mac notebooks in one place? (Besides in Apple Stores, that is.)

Kiro 13y ago

Almost everyone I know who are using Macbooks are also using Magic Mice (me and everyone at my job included).

j03w 13y ago

What about the prove for usage of contextual menu? I'm pretty sure people use it quite regularly especially when they are browsing the web, editing text in word processor, post processing images with Photoshop or editing video in Final Cut Pro. I for one, use it everyday to open links in a new tab. Cmd+click doesn't work on every website you know.

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
Most Mac users don’t use Photoshop or Final Cut Pro. Most Mac users are not power users. Many don’t know about browser tabs, let alone how to open new ones with keyboard shortcuts or contextual menus. Savvy users use keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste text in a word processor, not so savvy users go to the Edit menu for every action. (I have no proof for any of this. I have watched all kinds of people use computers for 25 years, in all kinds of settings.)
arnarbi 13y ago
This is entirely my own empirical evidence (I worked tech support in a design house), but mac users seem to use keyboard shortcuts more than contextual menus. E.g. opening links in a new tab is command+click or alt+click, depending on the browser. I've worked a lot with FCP (and other editing suites) and PS, and everyone I see, especially pros, seems to make heavy use of keyboard shortcuts and modifiers, rather than fishing around in menus.

j03w 13y ago