I might add that Iraq Body Count has a bit funny history. First, they were criticized by the Bush administration for overcounting. Then by the extreme left for

I might add that Iraq Body Count has a bit funny history. First, they were criticized by the Bush administration for overcounting. Then by the extreme left for undercounting! Now the Wikileaks report, which I linked, discuss this -- so the internal US data is out! They are a bit higher than the low counts, still far from the Lancet report. No signs of the conspiracies needed to hide the missing effects discussed by the IBC reality check (link above). This change the subject of the discussion. The question now is: Did the Lancet report authors cheat? Or just the local interviewers? Their data was totally wrong and the authors defended it like a bear mother defends her cub. If they are honest, you'd expect a mea culpa and discussion about why their data is wrong. But we won't get any public discussion of the Wikileaks from them -- any more than they discussed the IBC reality check (see discussion above). As I wrote above -- idealists lie. This is typical when dishonest people finally are disproved, they just stop discussing the subject. (The Wikileaks show other embarrassing facts which should be a media scandal getting people sacked, it is hardly a planned leak.)