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31reasons 13y ago

What about the competition from other developers that are willing to work for low rates ?

runako 13y ago
They will get positions where the key factor is price. Many purchasing decisions aren't based solely (or even chiefly) on price. You have to decide where you fit and act (and charge) accordingly. There's an entire spectrum of rates, and there's no iron law that says one has to fit in at the bottom.
- enko 13y ago
  Exactly right. And spot on about choosing your place in the stack - to some extent, it is as simple as deciding to be a higher-value worker. Of course, you will need to have a convincing history to back you up. For example, a friend of mine markets himself as basically a part-time CTO. He's been there, done that at a number of startups over the years, team lead the last few, a strong record of delivery. Management (who are not or only partially technical) does not hire him for his programming skills - that is not even a question at the (short, single) interview. He develops software, yes, but the main priority is giving management confidence that their software story is in safe, experienced hands, gives them someone to interface with, and frees up their bandwidth for other concerns. This guy makes well over six figures working part time. It's no secret that many startup founders come from finance - and despite their bad rap here on HN, mostly they are very smart, decent people. But they don't know tech like we do. What are their needs? What are their fears? They're not looking for the cheapest typist in town. They're looking for a credible partner to take co-ownership of the tech side of things. Maybe that's taking co-ownership of the mobile product, or something more inclusive, it doesn't matter - they just don't want to have to worry about it. So be that person who can take care of that for them. And one more thing. There is a bizarre tendency in the software world to eschew anything that smells like management, and to almost revel in the fact that IT people can often get away with dressing down at work. Don't do that. Always wear a suit, or at least a shirt. Business has rules, and the dress code is one of them. Demonstrate at the very first impression that you understand this, and you will gain a lot of respect. Suddenly, you are not just another slob typing gibberish in his dirty t-shirt, you are a fellow manager, but with rare and valuable technical skills. Big, big difference.

codeoclock 13y ago
I'm in second year, and I'm getting solid first marks. You probably could spend most of first and second year socialising if you don't have a job, but I do. Living on £1 a day in London including rent? That's not possible, even with very cheap place to live, £400pm for arguments sake, although that's probably not realistic you're already at nearly £13 a day. Even cheap halls at £99pw are more expensive than that. To live on £1 a day just covering rent with no extra costs, your rent would have to be at a maximum £28 p/m. You certainly can't socialise on that kind of money. If you meant excluding rent and bills, say they cost £15/day (which is still unrealistically cheap), plus your £1 for living expenses, that's a monthly cost of £480. Per academic year, that costs about £3840. While this is well within the threshold of the maximum student maintenance loan, remember you'll still have to pay travel costs (you can't really stay within walking distance of your house for the entire time you're in London), buy books (which can get very expensive), pay for other materials for coursework. At a minimum. University, and living in London generally is very expensive... Mostly, I'm just thinking, how do you even eat on £1 a day? That's pretty much one tin of baked beans plus a slice or two of bread per day. Or maybe some rice. Luckily nobody has to pay medical costs here... Also, I'm interested as to whether or not you think a gap year internship is still really important if I'm already working? I've had two jobs so far, that's quite a lot of experience for someone who's only in second year, and a lot more than many graduates I know...
- dreen 13y ago
  first of all yes, i think internship is worth it for a) experience in a company/corporate environment, which you cant get on your own, and b) a famous company's name on your cv. i was at O2, would never work there, hate corporations, but it helped me massively in getting a job and taught me a lot of things. plus youll earn some money which you can spend in the 3rd year (typical intern pay for programmers is £15-20k) and yeah that was without the bills. i lived in houses close to uni to avoid commuting and the £400 was common if not a bit steep, but i suppose my uni wasnt in central (it was brunel in uxbridge). also i lived in pretty shitty houses, because hey, im only there for a year, but on the upside met lots of cool people. a key to eating cheap is buying in bulk and cooking large amounts of food. say you buy 10 or even 20kg bag of rice (i used to do it on indian holidays for better discounts), that will cost less than £10 and last a few good months. get some canned veg, maybe micne. big tescos in poorer areas are your friend. its hard to calculate but for around £7 (and certainly for £10) you can stir up enough to last you a week. shits not gonna be gourmet but it works. there are other ways too... freeganism, putting stuff through self checkout as onions, etc.