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I don't think anyone's saying men are to blame - this is a systematic problem. The important thing is not to blame someone, but to _fix it_. This post offers in

by jaibot 13y ago

I don't think anyone's saying men are to blame - this is a systematic problem. The important thing is not to blame someone, but to _fix it_. This post offers insight into the problem so people have a better shot at _fixing it_. So we can fight about who's evil or exactly what volume is ideal for talking about the problem, or we can Just. Fix. It.

Jtsummers 13y ago
I don't like doing this, but "systematic" when you mean "systemic" is one of my pet peeves. Systematic things are deliberate, if the bias is intentionally done then it could be systematic. In this case, it's not clear that anyone is trying to drive women from the field so it's systemic, a property of the system, or culture in this case. To discuss your comment, I didn't feel that the post brought any particular insight to fixing it, but rather was trying to encourage discussion. Sadly this post seems to have been flagged and is now buried on this discussion site. This problem is not one that we have a handle on yet, and discussion/analysis is key to determining why it exists. Of course, we can't discuss forever, at some point organizations and individuals need to act, experiment with different things and rectify the problems they can (and hopefully not shift them to darker corners).
- aaronem 13y ago
  Three comma splices in two paragraphs? Good Lord.
  - Jtsummers 13y ago
    Two days ago I was very tired. My grammar (particularly written) goes to shit at that point. If you're trying to nitpick someone who was nitpicking, I anticpated that so I rarely make these sorts of comments. I've just noticed a trend of "systematic" being used for "systemic", even though they have very different meanings. It confuses the discussion when vocabulary is used incorrectly like this.
- jaibot 13y ago
  You are absolutely right - thanks for pointing this out, I probably would have gone on making the same mistake for years otherwise.

by jaibot 13y ago

Jtsummers 13y ago

I don't like doing this, but "systematic" when you mean "systemic" is one of my pet peeves. Systematic things are deliberate, if the bias is intentionally done then it could be systematic. In this case, it's not clear that anyone is trying to drive women from the field so it's systemic, a property of the system, or culture in this case. To discuss your comment, I didn't feel that the post brought any particular insight to fixing it, but rather was trying to encourage discussion. Sadly this post seems to have been flagged and is now buried on this discussion site. This problem is not one that we have a handle on yet, and discussion/analysis is key to determining why it exists. Of course, we can't discuss forever, at some point organizations and individuals need to act, experiment with different things and rectify the problems they can (and hopefully not shift them to darker corners).

aaronem 13y ago
Three comma splices in two paragraphs? Good Lord.
- Jtsummers 13y ago
  Two days ago I was very tired. My grammar (particularly written) goes to shit at that point. If you're trying to nitpick someone who was nitpicking, I anticpated that so I rarely make these sorts of comments. I've just noticed a trend of "systematic" being used for "systemic", even though they have very different meanings. It confuses the discussion when vocabulary is used incorrectly like this.
jaibot 13y ago
You are absolutely right - thanks for pointing this out, I probably would have gone on making the same mistake for years otherwise.