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This is a huge problem, and has the added wrinkle that all the people qualified to solve it won't, because it doesn't apply to the stuff they're deploying and t

by eevee 13y ago

This is a huge problem, and has the added wrinkle that all the people qualified to solve it won't, because it doesn't apply to the stuff they're deploying and they're clever enough to not need it solved anyway.

rofl 13y ago
This is a huge problem in you if you don't know how to use your tool as a developer. PHP is just a tool. If you don't like this tool called PHP, use another tool like Snake or Python or whatever, and be happy. Have you seen a top carpenter ever to go to another carpenter to complain about the hammer used by the other carpenter? Edit: Formatting
- eevee 13y ago
  I think you're confused. The huge problem is that other languages don't have anything for deployment that looks as easy as mod_php. And yes, all manner of professions grumble amongst themselves that newcomers are using inferior tools. Find some professional photographers and ask what they think of phone cameras.
  - rofl 13y ago
    The huge problem is you are complaining about tools used by other developers. Pick up tools that work best for you and let others choose tools that work best for them. There is no inferior tool in this world. You select a tool based on your need, affordability and choice. The important part is not the tool itself, it is what you make with your tool. We remember Leonardo da Vinci for his creations, not for the tools he had used to make those creations happen. As of now, the most popular cameras in Flickr community are Apple iPhone 5, Apple iPhone 4S and Apple iPhone 4. All of these are phone cameras. You can see awesome photographs taken with these cameras. If you make a rule to accept photographs taken only using expensive DSLRs, sites like Flickr will not exist. And the world will be little less beautiful without sites like Flickr. By the way, Flickr is also powered by PHP.
    - ericd 13y ago
      I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying... I think he wishes that the other languages would make deployment as easy as it is for PHP. I do too - I use Rails, Django and Flask, but I always dread project and server setup because it's almost always a bitch - there's some unwieldy virtual environment thing, or you have to set up two servers that talk to each other, or there are pathing issues and it's using the wrong version of the language, and the list goes on. On the other hand mod_php generally deploys correctly the first time everywhere, at least partly because it's so simple. Things like passenger help a lot, but even passenger requires a lot more configuration than mod_php.
      - rofl 13y ago
        "I think he wishes that the other languages would make deployment as easy as it is for PHP" Oops! You are right. Thanks. My honest mistake. He said in another thread "Right, because we'd spit on it and advertise Rust or Go" [1]. I read that and that created the confusion in my mind probably. Whenever I see any post about PHP on HN, some people (almost all the Snake lovers, and new Go enthusiasts converted from Snake community) start bashing PHP. That's so bad. So, when I saw above mentioned comment [1], I just wanted to tell him that "PHP is just a tool and that is as good as any other programming language if not better. You can be happy with your language. No need to say anything bad about any other language.". If someone likes Python or Go, that's fine. Why should he or she try to prove other languages inferior? mod_php surely makes it easy for anyone to get up and running PHP. It is not clear why Snake lovers, who bash PHP always, couldn't create a good and easy deployment solution so far! Just want to make it clear, I don't have any problem with Python or Go or any other programming language, I just think it is time for the Snake lovers and Google lovers to STOP bashing other languages and users of other languages. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6567001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6567001
        telephonetemp 13y ago
        There's no need to invent a derisive (or at least an apparently derisive) nickname for a language simply because you dislike it or its community.

by eevee 13y ago

rofl 13y ago

This is a huge problem in you if you don't know how to use your tool as a developer. PHP is just a tool. If you don't like this tool called PHP, use another tool like Snake or Python or whatever, and be happy. Have you seen a top carpenter ever to go to another carpenter to complain about the hammer used by the other carpenter? Edit: Formatting

eevee 13y ago
I think you're confused. The huge problem is that other languages don't have anything for deployment that looks as easy as mod_php. And yes, all manner of professions grumble amongst themselves that newcomers are using inferior tools. Find some professional photographers and ask what they think of phone cameras.
- rofl 13y ago
  The huge problem is you are complaining about tools used by other developers. Pick up tools that work best for you and let others choose tools that work best for them. There is no inferior tool in this world. You select a tool based on your need, affordability and choice. The important part is not the tool itself, it is what you make with your tool. We remember Leonardo da Vinci for his creations, not for the tools he had used to make those creations happen. As of now, the most popular cameras in Flickr community are Apple iPhone 5, Apple iPhone 4S and Apple iPhone 4. All of these are phone cameras. You can see awesome photographs taken with these cameras. If you make a rule to accept photographs taken only using expensive DSLRs, sites like Flickr will not exist. And the world will be little less beautiful without sites like Flickr. By the way, Flickr is also powered by PHP.
  - ericd 13y ago
    I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying... I think he wishes that the other languages would make deployment as easy as it is for PHP. I do too - I use Rails, Django and Flask, but I always dread project and server setup because it's almost always a bitch - there's some unwieldy virtual environment thing, or you have to set up two servers that talk to each other, or there are pathing issues and it's using the wrong version of the language, and the list goes on. On the other hand mod_php generally deploys correctly the first time everywhere, at least partly because it's so simple. Things like passenger help a lot, but even passenger requires a lot more configuration than mod_php.
    - rofl 13y ago
      "I think he wishes that the other languages would make deployment as easy as it is for PHP" Oops! You are right. Thanks. My honest mistake. He said in another thread "Right, because we'd spit on it and advertise Rust or Go" [1]. I read that and that created the confusion in my mind probably. Whenever I see any post about PHP on HN, some people (almost all the Snake lovers, and new Go enthusiasts converted from Snake community) start bashing PHP. That's so bad. So, when I saw above mentioned comment [1], I just wanted to tell him that "PHP is just a tool and that is as good as any other programming language if not better. You can be happy with your language. No need to say anything bad about any other language.". If someone likes Python or Go, that's fine. Why should he or she try to prove other languages inferior? mod_php surely makes it easy for anyone to get up and running PHP. It is not clear why Snake lovers, who bash PHP always, couldn't create a good and easy deployment solution so far! Just want to make it clear, I don't have any problem with Python or Go or any other programming language, I just think it is time for the Snake lovers and Google lovers to STOP bashing other languages and users of other languages. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6567001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6567001
      - telephonetemp 13y ago
        There's no need to invent a derisive (or at least an apparently derisive) nickname for a language simply because you dislike it or its community.