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> Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and

by chatman 13y ago

> Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

Flimm 13y ago
Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.
- zxcdw 13y ago
  Mozilla.
  - throwaway2048 13y ago
    Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.
    - simonster 13y ago
      Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.
      - throwaway2048 13y ago
        Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.
        simonster 13y ago
        If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/RyXSTjJVG3M https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir... https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/COAb99w8H6U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform... On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.
      - wpietri 13y ago
        Firefox-dev is definitely moderated. I've experienced it recently.
- izietto 13y ago
  Debian
  - Flimm 13y ago
    It's not a company.
mwfunk 13y ago
There is no "right" free software/open source spirit of community involvement. It begins and ends with the licenses used, full stop. Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects. If they don't like it, they can fork it thanks to the licensing, but even when that happens it doesn't mean that the original maintainers were somehow less free software/open source.
- unuthu 13y ago
  You're an idiot.
- whydo 13y ago
  "Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects." You have a right to say whatever you want.

by chatman 13y ago

> Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

Flimm 13y ago

Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.

zxcdw 13y ago
Mozilla.
- throwaway2048 13y ago
  Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.
  - simonster 13y ago
    Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.
    - throwaway2048 13y ago
      Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.
      - simonster 13y ago
        If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/RyXSTjJVG3M https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir... https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/COAb99w8H6U https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform... On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.
    - wpietri 13y ago
      Firefox-dev is definitely moderated. I've experienced it recently.
izietto 13y ago
Debian
- Flimm 13y ago
  It's not a company.

mwfunk 13y ago

There is no "right" free software/open source spirit of community involvement. It begins and ends with the licenses used, full stop. Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects. If they don't like it, they can fork it thanks to the licensing, but even when that happens it doesn't mean that the original maintainers were somehow less free software/open source.

unuthu 13y ago
You're an idiot.
whydo 13y ago
"Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects." You have a right to say whatever you want.