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FTA: > Electricity in Jakarta, Indonesia costs three cents per kilowatt hour. That’s 30 cents less than power in the US and Europe. Uh...Power in the US costs

by acchow 13y ago

FTA: > Electricity in Jakarta, Indonesia costs three cents per kilowatt hour. That’s 30 cents less than power in the US and Europe. Uh...Power in the US costs 30+ cents/kWh? In which part of the country?? In Ontario, Canada, the price is about 6.7 cents/kWh during the night and peaks at 12.4 cents/kWh in the afternoon. http://www.ontarioenergyboard.ca/OEB/Consumers/Electricity/Electricity+Prices http://www.ontarioenergyboard.ca/OEB/Consumers/Electricity/E...

ryanhuff 13y ago
I live in Southern California. SC Edison has a 4 tier pricing system based on kWh consumed. The first tier is $0.13 kWh, while the top tier is $0.31 kWh.
free652 13y ago
NYC is over 30c/kWH (to my appt), cost & delivery & taxes. 400kWh is $127.93 or 32cents/kWh
smsm42 13y ago
California? Lower tier is 10 cents, next one is 30 cents, and there are 74 and 95 cents ones in peak days.
- bryans 13y ago
  Could you clarify this? I'm not overly familiar with California's rates, but I've looked at what seem to be the two most prominent providers (PG&E and SCE), and neither of them have rates higher than 35 cents even at their top tiers. And there is no mention of increased rates during peak hours or days (I'm not even entirely sure what would define a peak day).
  - smsm42 13y ago
    They have a smart rate program, where they give you small discount on regular rates in exchange for high rates in high-consumption days (they choose them and tell you in advance) between 2pm and 7 pm. That's when you get the crazy rates. But if you avoid consuming too much power in these hours, it still comes out as beneficial for you. Outside of the peak rates, highest rate I see on my bill is tier 4, $0.35114/kWh.
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- smsm42 13y ago
  Not if you consume a lot of power. Once higher tiers kick in, 30 cents is not even the worst one.
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mutagen 13y ago
I interpreted that as '30 percent less than', closer to power pricing I'm used to in the US. Notably Tiyo Triyanto, the miner quoted in the opening paragraphs, is now mining Litecoin instead of Bitcoin and betting on prices increasing before the ASIC arms race starts for that cryptocurrency.
- mahyarm 13y ago
  Well supposedly the difference would be only 5x max for LTC ASIC and be significantly more expensive per equivalent ASIC chip due to the memory requirements compared to BTC ASICs.
smokinn 13y ago
The article certainly seems wrong. Other than Hawaii which is an obvious outlier (36.61) the most expensive mainland electricity in the US is in California at 16.71. http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm... In the Europe the story is quite similar. The country with the most expensive electricity is Denmark at 29.5 but most vary between 10 and 20 cents. http://www.energy.eu/ http://www.energy.eu/
- acomjean 13y ago
  It is wrong. The links you provide seem to be more accurate. I write software that deals with monitoring power (powerhouse dynamics). We have customers in a lot of states, and to estimate their costs they have to input the cost per/kWh. In the US power costs usually between 8-12 cents per kilowatt hour. There are extra costs if your commercial which can add 10-20%. We've found that power cost, especially commercial power is oddly hard to estimate with "demand charges" and rates varrying with time... There are a few companies compiling this cost data in detail which we'll likely be buying soon.
  - marincounty 13y ago
    I know in the Bay Area Commercial rates charged by PG&E are lower than Residential. Never understood why. Actually, our electricity in the SF Area is very expensive. I don't know why. One half of our power is from Dams. I think it's 1/2. Actually, I think they charge us so much is because they know we will pay. To all the Élon Musk fans, I wonder what your PG&E bill will be? While I'm on this subject--yea, I'm an electrician, don't heat your house with elecrtic heaters. They will really eat up the kilowatts, and look into Radiant hydronic heating if updating. My bill is 1/4 of what it used to be. You can install yourself, if determined.
    - yardie 13y ago
      I learned this the expensive, hard way. I had a studio in Paris that only had electric heat. 2 months after it started getting really cold I got the electric bill, $250. After that I shut off the heater at the breaker, bought a portable heater and a jug (20L) of kerosene for $80. That jug lasted 2 winters.
sivetic 13y ago
Just over $0.07 in Manitoba .. which has gone up considerably (likely close to 50%) over the last 5-6 years! We use to have it great until they decided they need to build more dams :( Oh, and that's a flat rate.
jpollock 13y ago
Yes, in a lot of jurisdictions, that's the generator cost. Generation is typically < 1/3rd the total cost of electricity. Here in NZ, I get a generation charge, a national lines charge, and a local lines charge per kwh. Then I've got an additional daily charge to be connected to the network. It works out to NZ$0.22/kwh. Electricity isn't very useful when it's at the hydro lake! [Edited to add numbers] Looking into it, Ontario power is: (Peak 11AM-5PM) 12.4c/kWh generation. 3.37c/kWh distribution 1.21c/kWh transmission $17.29/mo connection. So, that's CDN16.98c/kWh delivered to a suburban home. Still, nowhere near 30c/kWh.
Udo 13y ago
Here in Germany it's 0.30 EUR/kWh.

by acchow 13y ago

ryanhuff 13y ago

I live in Southern California. SC Edison has a 4 tier pricing system based on kWh consumed. The first tier is $0.13 kWh, while the top tier is $0.31 kWh.

free652 13y ago

NYC is over 30c/kWH (to my appt), cost & delivery & taxes. 400kWh is $127.93 or 32cents/kWh

smsm42 13y ago

California? Lower tier is 10 cents, next one is 30 cents, and there are 74 and 95 cents ones in peak days.

bryans 13y ago
Could you clarify this? I'm not overly familiar with California's rates, but I've looked at what seem to be the two most prominent providers (PG&E and SCE), and neither of them have rates higher than 35 cents even at their top tiers. And there is no mention of increased rates during peak hours or days (I'm not even entirely sure what would define a peak day).
- smsm42 13y ago
  They have a smart rate program, where they give you small discount on regular rates in exchange for high rates in high-consumption days (they choose them and tell you in advance) between 2pm and 7 pm. That's when you get the crazy rates. But if you avoid consuming too much power in these hours, it still comes out as beneficial for you. Outside of the peak rates, highest rate I see on my bill is tier 4, $0.35114/kWh.

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smsm42 13y ago
Not if you consume a lot of power. Once higher tiers kick in, 30 cents is not even the worst one.

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mutagen 13y ago

I interpreted that as '30 percent less than', closer to power pricing I'm used to in the US. Notably Tiyo Triyanto, the miner quoted in the opening paragraphs, is now mining Litecoin instead of Bitcoin and betting on prices increasing before the ASIC arms race starts for that cryptocurrency.

mahyarm 13y ago
Well supposedly the difference would be only 5x max for LTC ASIC and be significantly more expensive per equivalent ASIC chip due to the memory requirements compared to BTC ASICs.

smokinn 13y ago

The article certainly seems wrong. Other than Hawaii which is an obvious outlier (36.61) the most expensive mainland electricity in the US is in California at 16.71. http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm... In the Europe the story is quite similar. The country with the most expensive electricity is Denmark at 29.5 but most vary between 10 and 20 cents. http://www.energy.eu/ http://www.energy.eu/

acomjean 13y ago
It is wrong. The links you provide seem to be more accurate. I write software that deals with monitoring power (powerhouse dynamics). We have customers in a lot of states, and to estimate their costs they have to input the cost per/kWh. In the US power costs usually between 8-12 cents per kilowatt hour. There are extra costs if your commercial which can add 10-20%. We've found that power cost, especially commercial power is oddly hard to estimate with "demand charges" and rates varrying with time... There are a few companies compiling this cost data in detail which we'll likely be buying soon.
- marincounty 13y ago
  I know in the Bay Area Commercial rates charged by PG&E are lower than Residential. Never understood why. Actually, our electricity in the SF Area is very expensive. I don't know why. One half of our power is from Dams. I think it's 1/2. Actually, I think they charge us so much is because they know we will pay. To all the Élon Musk fans, I wonder what your PG&E bill will be? While I'm on this subject--yea, I'm an electrician, don't heat your house with elecrtic heaters. They will really eat up the kilowatts, and look into Radiant hydronic heating if updating. My bill is 1/4 of what it used to be. You can install yourself, if determined.
  - yardie 13y ago
    I learned this the expensive, hard way. I had a studio in Paris that only had electric heat. 2 months after it started getting really cold I got the electric bill, $250. After that I shut off the heater at the breaker, bought a portable heater and a jug (20L) of kerosene for $80. That jug lasted 2 winters.

sivetic 13y ago

Just over $0.07 in Manitoba .. which has gone up considerably (likely close to 50%) over the last 5-6 years! We use to have it great until they decided they need to build more dams :( Oh, and that's a flat rate.

jpollock 13y ago

Yes, in a lot of jurisdictions, that's the generator cost. Generation is typically < 1/3rd the total cost of electricity. Here in NZ, I get a generation charge, a national lines charge, and a local lines charge per kwh. Then I've got an additional daily charge to be connected to the network. It works out to NZ$0.22/kwh. Electricity isn't very useful when it's at the hydro lake! [Edited to add numbers] Looking into it, Ontario power is: (Peak 11AM-5PM) 12.4c/kWh generation. 3.37c/kWh distribution 1.21c/kWh transmission $17.29/mo connection. So, that's CDN16.98c/kWh delivered to a suburban home. Still, nowhere near 30c/kWh.

Udo 13y ago

Here in Germany it's 0.30 EUR/kWh.