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Perhaps you mean "Advertising on UGC websites". And in that case, it's far more likely sites will just come up with better moderation tools to detect questionab
by axod 17y ago
Perhaps you mean "Advertising on UGC websites". And in that case, it's far more likely sites will just come up with better moderation tools to detect questionable content.
Online advertising is crucial for the survival of the internet. I kinda like the fact most sites are free to visit. You can hate it all you like, but without it, most of the internet wouldn't exist. I hate people who hate advertising :/ It's irrational. It's like saying you hate 'money', 'commerce' or even 'information'
- jrockway 17y agoI will define "hating advertising" as "liking the lack of advertising better". Fortunately, this is a decision I am free to make for myself. I can fast-forward through advertisements on television and block them on the Internet.
- axod 17y agomeh. I find them really useful. Perhaps it's a hippy anti-consumerism thing I just don't understand?
- sho 17y ago"Online advertising is crucial for the survival of the internet." Which internet? There was plenty of internet before ads became common. Without ads some other structure would arise. It might change a bit but the internet is here to stay. "I hate people who hate advertising :/ It's irrational." I don't see anything irrational about disliking insidious, manipulative marketing messages being shoved in your face whereever you look. In fact I find it completely rational, what are you talking about? I am guessing that you rely on advertising for your income, but surely you can see the other perspective. And saying that you "hate" people who hate advertising is pretty disturbing. update: corrected misquote
- axod 17y agoOK, without ads, show me the business model for google, facebook, youtube, etc.
- jrockway 17y agoMaybe there isn't one?
- jrockway 17y agoWhich internet? There was plenty of internet before ads became common. I agree. I have never found ads worth the trouble. I am no designer, but I cannot bear to look at ads on my own site, even if I could be making money. I would rather ensure that my readers have a peaceful and pristine experience learning from my writing than make a few cents off of them. I think I would even prefer a paywall to advertising. (And indeed, I have written a book that you have to pay for. Although it is on P2P sites, and I certainly won't be suing you if you download and read it. Give me money if you want to, otherwise, don't worry about it.) And saying that you "hate" people who dislike advertising is pretty disturbing. It's axod. He is hates everyone and everything, unless Apple makes it.
- sho 17y ago" I am no designer, but I cannot bear to look at ads on my own site, even if I could be making money. I would rather ensure that my readers have a peaceful and pristine experience learning from my writing than make a few cents off of them." I wholeheartedly agree. Not only do I not touch ads in any business activities, I do not place ads on any of my personal sites either. I pay for them, then, out of my own pocket - to the tune of about $250/m. I would have thought putting my money where my mouth is like that would ward off claims of being a "freeloader" but apparently not.
- axod 17y agoI love lots of things :) A free internet is one of those things. I don't understand hate of advertising though. Are you anti-christmas presents also? Do you hate blockbuster movies? Hate disney? Hate consumerism? Maybe there's some 'hippiness' going on I just don't get.
- sho 17y agoYou're not replying to me, but I want to respond anyway. I hate advertising for two main reasons: 1. It is mostly ugly and aesthetically displeasing. I care about how things look and take steps to seek out and appreciate things I like looking at (eg art, OSX) and avoid things I don't (advertising, Windows) 2. I recognise the human brain is a flawed machine and susceptible to clever manipulation, even when the person knows he is being manipulated. Thus, I avoid any contact with known-manipulative forms of messaging whereever possible - this includes most forms of advertising. I have no such aversion to, say, movie trailers (I generally love them) or local business catalogues, etc, since they are informational only and do not try to manipulate me. By the way, if you think you're immune to this manipulation, you are 1. in the vast majority of people and 2. provably wrong. And I do dislike excessive consumerism, especially around christmastime, and credit advertising for spurring it on - but whatever, people can do what they want. You always mentioning this "free, advertising-supported internet" but that is a simplistic view, IMO. The price of "free" is that you are expected to view, absorb, and presumably act on, commercial messaging. There is no immediate monetary charge, no, but there certainly is a cost.
- lucumo 17y ago> And saying that you "hate" people who dislike advertising is pretty disturbing. "hate" advertising. Let's not misquote. > I don't see anything irrational about disliking insidious, manipulative marketing messages being shoved in your face whereever you look. It does seem a bit irrational to expect everything for free. The other option is payment. In discussion threads there are a lot of people that say "I'll gladly pay for no advertising", but real life so far has not given me reason to believe that that group is actually of a relevant size.