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+1 Getting a GbR (Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts ) setup is also possible at the Bürgeramt and similarly easy. Also: as mentioned in the interview getting a

by snw 13y ago

+1 Getting a GbR (Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts ) setup is also possible at the Bürgeramt and similarly easy. Also: as mentioned in the interview getting a "Steuerberater" once you have some income is a good thing to do. They can advice you in many financial and basic legal things and do most of the paperwork for you so one can concentrate on actual work ;-)

marianoguerra 13y ago
that's the one I got and the process was really simple, the tax part was more complicated (getting the tax number for the company) but not impossible. still you have to know enough german or have a german friend who can help you. in my case we are bootstraped and the cost of a Steuerberater (tax advisor) is kind of high so we are delaying it as much as possible. Still I will need one next month :)
Xylakant 13y ago
There's no need to go to the Bürgeramt to form a GbR. A GbR is formed by multiple people joining together to pursue a common goal. A GbR is implicitly formed when 2 people agree to participate in a lottery - a written contract is possible and advisable, but not required. A registration is not required at all. I would actually recommend seeing a Steuerberater before you form your company or register anything anywhere. There's a lot of money you can save on that front.
- marianoguerra 13y ago
  you still need the paperwork to open the bank account and for stuff like paymill, so it's more convenient to do it the paper way :)
  - Xylakant 13y ago
    No, you don't, at least not for the bank account. You need the tax number from the Finanzamt and the confirmation that you're freelance but that's a different thing. In any case the registration at the Gewerbeamt (Gewerbeschein) is a different beast than the contract and paperwork needed to form a company. In some cases freelancers are required to register and in some cases companies can be exempt. It's basically a license to do business. If you register you need to pay Gewerbesteuer which can be costly (you can deduct that from you income taxes but often not in full). So if you can freelance instead of registering a Gewerbe for a single person, do so, by all means. Talk to a tax accountant to know if you really need to register.
    - marianoguerra 13y ago
      we are two founders, so I guess I need some kind of society. the bank asked me for the contract, I guess I can have a GbR founding contract without registering the GbR, but I registered just in case.

by snw 13y ago

marianoguerra 13y ago

that's the one I got and the process was really simple, the tax part was more complicated (getting the tax number for the company) but not impossible. still you have to know enough german or have a german friend who can help you. in my case we are bootstraped and the cost of a Steuerberater (tax advisor) is kind of high so we are delaying it as much as possible. Still I will need one next month :)

Xylakant 13y ago

There's no need to go to the Bürgeramt to form a GbR. A GbR is formed by multiple people joining together to pursue a common goal. A GbR is implicitly formed when 2 people agree to participate in a lottery - a written contract is possible and advisable, but not required. A registration is not required at all. I would actually recommend seeing a Steuerberater before you form your company or register anything anywhere. There's a lot of money you can save on that front.

marianoguerra 13y ago
you still need the paperwork to open the bank account and for stuff like paymill, so it's more convenient to do it the paper way :)
- Xylakant 13y ago
  No, you don't, at least not for the bank account. You need the tax number from the Finanzamt and the confirmation that you're freelance but that's a different thing. In any case the registration at the Gewerbeamt (Gewerbeschein) is a different beast than the contract and paperwork needed to form a company. In some cases freelancers are required to register and in some cases companies can be exempt. It's basically a license to do business. If you register you need to pay Gewerbesteuer which can be costly (you can deduct that from you income taxes but often not in full). So if you can freelance instead of registering a Gewerbe for a single person, do so, by all means. Talk to a tax accountant to know if you really need to register.
  - marianoguerra 13y ago
    we are two founders, so I guess I need some kind of society. the bank asked me for the contract, I guess I can have a GbR founding contract without registering the GbR, but I registered just in case.