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A #1 iPhone game-app dev says: Don't expect to make a living from the AppStore

55 points by credo 17y ago

scscsc 17y ago
i.e. I'm so poor, do not compete with me.
pm 17y ago
I've noticed a recent trend in iPhone game development articles that implore, "Here be dragons, don't waste your time". Curious, I continue to read and find almost all games were developed by a single developer inside of a month. That's barely enough time to generate and playtest a central game mechanic, let alone develop and polish an entire casual game. Spend some time on game design quality!
- jerf 17y ago
  I've played that game at least two other times, one of which was on my old Palm III. He didn't have to test a mechanic, he just took one. I'm not trying to make a moral judgment, just adding some info you may not have. The game is not original.
  - pm 17y ago
    Indeed, the bulk of iPhone games seem to be unashamed clones. Should it be any wonder your clone isn't doing well? If you're going to steal a mechanic (most mechanics aren't entirely original anyhow), take the time to spin it into a new context.
    - reitzensteinm 17y ago
      Some more than others! http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot/ http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot/ http://www.squiddlegames.com/stuntpilot/ http://www.squiddlegames.com/stuntpilot/
      - pm 17y ago
        That's a fairly brazen ripoff, though changing the plane to a Sopwith Camel is enough to escape any legal troubles. It's just a pity this is what developers resort to when they lack ideas.
        greendestiny 17y ago
        Neither of these games is original. I remember playing a game almost identical over 15 years ago.
        reitzensteinm 17y ago
        There's a pretty big difference between being inspired by games in the past (see below), and systematically copying one specific game piece by piece - name included. I'd like to note that I actually hadn't played any game like Stunt Pilot when I wrote it, although I've since played Pilot Wings. Stunt Pilot was designed to be a playable version of air racing.
        greendestiny 17y ago
        Yes there is, I like your game and I think copying that blatant is reprehensible.
      - wlievens 17y ago
        Love your games man. Keep up the good work.
        reitzensteinm 17y ago
        Thanks! More coming soon...
      - thanhkiem 17y ago
        http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot2/ http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot2/
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bemmu 17y ago
Maybe it would be possible to develop a viral app (spreading over FB/Twitter) for the iPhone and let it spread with a bit more steadiness than relying on being in the top list.
- pxlpshr 17y ago
  Virality is soo misunderstood. Your more likely to build an iPhone app that gets into one of the top lists than to have one go viral.
cpr 17y ago
Yawn. These stories are depressingly similar. "I had a hit! I coulda been a contendah!" ;-) I think the whole world now knows that, if you build something good & it goes viral, you can make a lot of money for a while. Then, with the app store churn, if you don't get and stay in the top 10-25 app charts, and don't do serious promotion, your app is almost guaranteed to fade away.
Dilpil 17y ago
Turns out free doesn't work, and neither does dirt cheap. I am amazed that people will go into an area like video games, where you are free to make a truly unique, non commoditized product, and compete on margin.
- hrabago 17y ago
  I think people underestimate what it takes to make a good game that people will be willing to pay for. Take Flight Control. It's a very enjoyable, addictive game. However, if you take this same game and its mechanics, slap a different set of graphics that's not as polished, take away the highlight when you land or link a plane to its landing strip, change the sound effects, use simple randomization for where planes come from and their rate of appearance, and it's not going to be as big a hit. The iPhone hardware and its built in apps set a certain level of expectation of polish. Graphics that would work on other environments won't cut it on this device, especially when there are a lot more options.
antirez 17y ago
1 month of work. 10,000 - 15,000 download for day in the good days, 70% of earning, zero other costs, and it is not worth it?!?
- pz 17y ago
  i think the point is that he's been lucky and that its very unpredictable. so its worth it as a hobby, but not as a career
jcromartie 17y ago
Come on, this game was dead simple to build (and he could probably build it again in half the time with the experience gained) and made $10K a day for a period. I would call that a tremendous success.
- tlrobinson 17y ago
  Yes, but he also got lucky. "...but too much is left up to chance for a one-man development shop to earn a steady living."
bayareaguy 17y ago
This game looks like a knock-off of the Rush Hour[1] puzzle which, according to wikipedia, is based on an earlier wooden puzzle from the 70's [2]. 1- http://www.puzzles.com/products/rushhour.htm http://www.puzzles.com/products/rushhour.htm 2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_(board_game) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_(board_game)

55 points by credo 17y ago

i.e. I'm so poor, do not compete with me.

pm 17y ago

I've noticed a recent trend in iPhone game development articles that implore, "Here be dragons, don't waste your time". Curious, I continue to read and find almost all games were developed by a single developer inside of a month. That's barely enough time to generate and playtest a central game mechanic, let alone develop and polish an entire casual game. Spend some time on game design quality!

jerf 17y ago
I've played that game at least two other times, one of which was on my old Palm III. He didn't have to test a mechanic, he just took one. I'm not trying to make a moral judgment, just adding some info you may not have. The game is not original.
- pm 17y ago
  Indeed, the bulk of iPhone games seem to be unashamed clones. Should it be any wonder your clone isn't doing well? If you're going to steal a mechanic (most mechanics aren't entirely original anyhow), take the time to spin it into a new context.
  - reitzensteinm 17y ago
    Some more than others! http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot/ http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot/ http://www.squiddlegames.com/stuntpilot/ http://www.squiddlegames.com/stuntpilot/
    - pm 17y ago
      That's a fairly brazen ripoff, though changing the plane to a Sopwith Camel is enough to escape any legal troubles. It's just a pity this is what developers resort to when they lack ideas.
      - greendestiny 17y ago
        Neither of these games is original. I remember playing a game almost identical over 15 years ago.
        reitzensteinm 17y ago
        There's a pretty big difference between being inspired by games in the past (see below), and systematically copying one specific game piece by piece - name included. I'd like to note that I actually hadn't played any game like Stunt Pilot when I wrote it, although I've since played Pilot Wings. Stunt Pilot was designed to be a playable version of air racing.
        greendestiny 17y ago
        Yes there is, I like your game and I think copying that blatant is reprehensible.
    - wlievens 17y ago
      Love your games man. Keep up the good work.
      - reitzensteinm 17y ago
        Thanks! More coming soon...
    - thanhkiem 17y ago
      http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot2/ http://www.rocksolidarcade.com/games/stuntpilot2/
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bemmu 17y ago

Maybe it would be possible to develop a viral app (spreading over FB/Twitter) for the iPhone and let it spread with a bit more steadiness than relying on being in the top list.

pxlpshr 17y ago
Virality is soo misunderstood. Your more likely to build an iPhone app that gets into one of the top lists than to have one go viral.

cpr 17y ago

Yawn. These stories are depressingly similar. "I had a hit! I coulda been a contendah!" ;-) I think the whole world now knows that, if you build something good & it goes viral, you can make a lot of money for a while. Then, with the app store churn, if you don't get and stay in the top 10-25 app charts, and don't do serious promotion, your app is almost guaranteed to fade away.

Dilpil 17y ago

Turns out free doesn't work, and neither does dirt cheap. I am amazed that people will go into an area like video games, where you are free to make a truly unique, non commoditized product, and compete on margin.

hrabago 17y ago
I think people underestimate what it takes to make a good game that people will be willing to pay for. Take Flight Control. It's a very enjoyable, addictive game. However, if you take this same game and its mechanics, slap a different set of graphics that's not as polished, take away the highlight when you land or link a plane to its landing strip, change the sound effects, use simple randomization for where planes come from and their rate of appearance, and it's not going to be as big a hit. The iPhone hardware and its built in apps set a certain level of expectation of polish. Graphics that would work on other environments won't cut it on this device, especially when there are a lot more options.

antirez 17y ago

1 month of work. 10,000 - 15,000 download for day in the good days, 70% of earning, zero other costs, and it is not worth it?!?

pz 17y ago
i think the point is that he's been lucky and that its very unpredictable. so its worth it as a hobby, but not as a career

jcromartie 17y ago

Come on, this game was dead simple to build (and he could probably build it again in half the time with the experience gained) and made $10K a day for a period. I would call that a tremendous success.

tlrobinson 17y ago
Yes, but he also got lucky. "...but too much is left up to chance for a one-man development shop to earn a steady living."

bayareaguy 17y ago

This game looks like a knock-off of the Rush Hour[1] puzzle which, according to wikipedia, is based on an earlier wooden puzzle from the 70's [2]. 1- http://www.puzzles.com/products/rushhour.htm http://www.puzzles.com/products/rushhour.htm 2- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_(board_game) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_(board_game)