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Iff I had the downvote button I would downvote. How is that even relevant at all? Do we all have to agree on everything? Is it wrong for someone to support tha

by yeukhon 13y ago

Iff I had the downvote button I would downvote. How is that even relevant at all? Do we all have to agree on everything? Is it wrong for someone to support that? If that is relevant, pretty much the same mistake NASA has made: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/11/nasa-chinese-scientists-conference-ban http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/11/nasa-chinese-... Not relevant. In an open source web world, people can have different political opinion, social opinion. If gayes want equality and stop discrimination, then let other people enjoy their own freedom of not agreeing with everything the "norm" seems to agree on. If he's Catholic, do half of the non-Catholic, and anti-Catholic people have to leave this conference? Sentiment is understandable, but don't bring that up in a technical conference. The NSA thing at BlackHat is also controversial. While I disagree with what NSA is doing most of the time, I think we should pay some respect to the speaker while the speaker is speaking on stage. You can protest afterward.

egeozcan 13y ago
Ban on gay marriage is not a political subject. It is a way of discrimination. It's against the human rights. Would it be ok for you if the person you're listening to supports a ban on Chinese having children? What if you were Chinese? Freedom ends when you restrict others. Spreading awareness on such subjects helps individuals decide if the subject is important enough for them to personally show their disapproval. This is totally relevant.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  Here is my clear stand and let's be realistic here: nothing can escape political system. As a civilization, there is law. And law is created and written by people with political agenda. It is sad but that's the nature. Whether or not you like it, Bill of Rights is a political, legal document created and written by politicians who want to protect the interest of the people. I don't discriminate gays at all. I have my opinion on gays, abortion, education and government reform. We all do, right? What people are doing here is making a difficult call for organizers and attendees. Should they attend this talk they could be called "criminals" since no one should be looking up to someone opposing gay rights. And I think that call is difficult.
- rat87 13y ago
  > Would it be ok for you if the person you're listening to supports a ban on Chinese having children? What if you were Chinese? Chinese having children in America or in China because the One-child policy(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy for details, > The limit has been strongly enforced in urban towns, but the actual implementation varies from location to location.[26] In most rural areas, families are allowed to apply to have a second child if their first-born is a daughter[27] or suffers from physical disability, mental illness or mental retardation.[28] Second children are subject to birth spacing (usually 3 or 4 years). Additional children will result in large fines. Families violating the policy are required to pay monetary penalties and may possibly be denied bonuses at their workplace.) exists. I think its a horrible policy which violates human rights but many both inside an outside of China support it.
  - Cthulhu_ 13y ago
    And yet, they did it for good reason: Overpopulation control What's more humane, asking people to limit the number of children they have, or have the children die from famine?

by yeukhon 13y ago

egeozcan 13y ago

Ban on gay marriage is not a political subject. It is a way of discrimination. It's against the human rights. Would it be ok for you if the person you're listening to supports a ban on Chinese having children? What if you were Chinese? Freedom ends when you restrict others. Spreading awareness on such subjects helps individuals decide if the subject is important enough for them to personally show their disapproval. This is totally relevant.

yeukhon 13y ago
Here is my clear stand and let's be realistic here: nothing can escape political system. As a civilization, there is law. And law is created and written by people with political agenda. It is sad but that's the nature. Whether or not you like it, Bill of Rights is a political, legal document created and written by politicians who want to protect the interest of the people. I don't discriminate gays at all. I have my opinion on gays, abortion, education and government reform. We all do, right? What people are doing here is making a difficult call for organizers and attendees. Should they attend this talk they could be called "criminals" since no one should be looking up to someone opposing gay rights. And I think that call is difficult.
rat87 13y ago
> Would it be ok for you if the person you're listening to supports a ban on Chinese having children? What if you were Chinese? Chinese having children in America or in China because the One-child policy(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy for details, > The limit has been strongly enforced in urban towns, but the actual implementation varies from location to location.[26] In most rural areas, families are allowed to apply to have a second child if their first-born is a daughter[27] or suffers from physical disability, mental illness or mental retardation.[28] Second children are subject to birth spacing (usually 3 or 4 years). Additional children will result in large fines. Families violating the policy are required to pay monetary penalties and may possibly be denied bonuses at their workplace.) exists. I think its a horrible policy which violates human rights but many both inside an outside of China support it.
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  And yet, they did it for good reason: Overpopulation control What's more humane, asking people to limit the number of children they have, or have the children die from famine?