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I don't think there's anywhere in the US that has 24/7 public transit that goes 50 miles out from a city. To expect that is unrealistic. You're lucky it even ex

I don't think there's anywhere in the US that has 24/7 public transit that goes 50 miles out from a city. To expect that is unrealistic. You're lucky it even exists, most cities don't even have any transit that goes that far.

iskander 13y ago
I know people who regularly go between NYC and Philadelphia. The distance is about 100 miles, covered in 70-90 minutes (depending on the train). During peak hours trains run every 15 or 30 minutes and even the night-time gap isn't terribly long (stops running at midnight, starts again at 3am). I'm not sure if the Bay Area has comparable density to the DC-Philly-NY-Boston corridor, so maybe achieving the same level of train service isn't possible.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > During peak hours trains run every 15 or 30 minutes and even the night-time gap isn't terribly long (stops running at midnight, starts again at 3am). BARTs night time gap at the terminus of most lines is, I think, roughly midnight to 4am, so its not all that different. > I'm not sure if the Bay Area has comparable density to the DC-Philly-NY-Boston corridor Not even close. The East Coast corridor you name is the most densely populated region of its size in the US, by a wide margin.
mjn 13y ago
That's true, although it's less unheard-of to have 24/7 public transit going ~20 miles out radially, providing about ~40 mile end-to-end coverage. Chicago runs two of its lines 24/7 (Red and Blue), which provide service about 15-20 miles to the N, S, & W. The 24/7 NY Subway, PATH, and LIRR service will take you similar distances. If BART ran those kinds of distances 24/7, it would at least significantly increase the consistently-reachable zone. There's currently some all-nighter bus service, but it's not a great replacement (slow, nobody knows the routes, etc.).
svachalek 13y ago
It's not 50 miles. The halfway point would be 25 miles from SF and 25 miles from San Jose.

iskander 13y ago

I know people who regularly go between NYC and Philadelphia. The distance is about 100 miles, covered in 70-90 minutes (depending on the train). During peak hours trains run every 15 or 30 minutes and even the night-time gap isn't terribly long (stops running at midnight, starts again at 3am). I'm not sure if the Bay Area has comparable density to the DC-Philly-NY-Boston corridor, so maybe achieving the same level of train service isn't possible.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> During peak hours trains run every 15 or 30 minutes and even the night-time gap isn't terribly long (stops running at midnight, starts again at 3am). BARTs night time gap at the terminus of most lines is, I think, roughly midnight to 4am, so its not all that different. > I'm not sure if the Bay Area has comparable density to the DC-Philly-NY-Boston corridor Not even close. The East Coast corridor you name is the most densely populated region of its size in the US, by a wide margin.

mjn 13y ago

That's true, although it's less unheard-of to have 24/7 public transit going ~20 miles out radially, providing about ~40 mile end-to-end coverage. Chicago runs two of its lines 24/7 (Red and Blue), which provide service about 15-20 miles to the N, S, & W. The 24/7 NY Subway, PATH, and LIRR service will take you similar distances. If BART ran those kinds of distances 24/7, it would at least significantly increase the consistently-reachable zone. There's currently some all-nighter bus service, but it's not a great replacement (slow, nobody knows the routes, etc.).

svachalek 13y ago

It's not 50 miles. The halfway point would be 25 miles from SF and 25 miles from San Jose.