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The poor camp is even smaller. It's not just those who are poor enough to be eligible for social housing, but those who are lucky enough to get it, or unlucky

by frobozz 13y ago

The poor camp is even smaller. It's not just those who are poor enough to be eligible for social housing, but those who are lucky enough to get it, or unlucky enough to really, really need it.

CmonDev 13y ago
They don't have to leave in London though, they are not professionals. Plenty of other towns with cheaper property in UK.
- vidarh 13y ago
  And lower salaries and lower employment. And if your social network is in London, many also run into situations where they can't really move. E.g. if you're a parent, living near family that can look after your child part- or full time might mean a difference of hundreds of pounds a month in child care.
  - CmonDev 13y ago
    You don't make them sound desperate, more like a "nice-to have" zone. Most immigrants loose their social network when moving, yet they still do OK.
- frobozz 13y ago
  1. Not everyone in London is Dick Whittington (and this is also a criticism of other comments in this thread, that seems to assume this), coming for the gold-paved streets. Some people live there because they grew up there, as did their parents and so on. As do their parents still, because 30 or more years ago, it was still possible for normal people to buy a family home. 2. You sound like the Golgafrinchans. If only "professionals" live in London, who cleans up after those professionals, serves them coffee, or does any of the other non-professional tasks that keep a city moving? Do you expect your £18Kpa hairdresser (or the minimum-wage junior that sweeps up the hair) to spend £5Kpa (after tax) getting to work, or would you prefer to have go to Northampton every couple of months to get your hair cut?
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > You sound like the Golgafrinchans. If only "professionals" live in London, who cleans up after those professionals, serves them coffee, or does any of the other non-professional tasks that keep a city moving? Commuters who live outside of London proper and commute in for work? Cities aren't the same thing as planets.
    - frobozz 13y ago
      > Do you expect your £18Kpa hairdresser (or the minimum-wage junior that sweeps up the hair) to spend £5Kpa (after tax) getting to work, or would you prefer to have go to Northampton every couple of months to get your hair cut?
      - dragonwriter 13y ago
        I'd expect the price of the service they are providing to rise until it justified either them commuting into the city or their living in the city. If development in the city is constrained, probably the former.

by frobozz 13y ago

The poor camp is even smaller. It's not just those who are poor enough to be eligible for social housing, but those who are lucky enough to get it, or unlucky enough to really, really need it.

CmonDev 13y ago

They don't have to leave in London though, they are not professionals. Plenty of other towns with cheaper property in UK.

vidarh 13y ago
And lower salaries and lower employment. And if your social network is in London, many also run into situations where they can't really move. E.g. if you're a parent, living near family that can look after your child part- or full time might mean a difference of hundreds of pounds a month in child care.
- CmonDev 13y ago
  You don't make them sound desperate, more like a "nice-to have" zone. Most immigrants loose their social network when moving, yet they still do OK.
frobozz 13y ago
1. Not everyone in London is Dick Whittington (and this is also a criticism of other comments in this thread, that seems to assume this), coming for the gold-paved streets. Some people live there because they grew up there, as did their parents and so on. As do their parents still, because 30 or more years ago, it was still possible for normal people to buy a family home. 2. You sound like the Golgafrinchans. If only "professionals" live in London, who cleans up after those professionals, serves them coffee, or does any of the other non-professional tasks that keep a city moving? Do you expect your £18Kpa hairdresser (or the minimum-wage junior that sweeps up the hair) to spend £5Kpa (after tax) getting to work, or would you prefer to have go to Northampton every couple of months to get your hair cut?
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > You sound like the Golgafrinchans. If only "professionals" live in London, who cleans up after those professionals, serves them coffee, or does any of the other non-professional tasks that keep a city moving? Commuters who live outside of London proper and commute in for work? Cities aren't the same thing as planets.
  - frobozz 13y ago
    > Do you expect your £18Kpa hairdresser (or the minimum-wage junior that sweeps up the hair) to spend £5Kpa (after tax) getting to work, or would you prefer to have go to Northampton every couple of months to get your hair cut?
    - dragonwriter 13y ago
      I'd expect the price of the service they are providing to rise until it justified either them commuting into the city or their living in the city. If development in the city is constrained, probably the former.