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I took the class because it was supposed to be easy and satisfied (then-core) requirements. But I still regularly consider Confucian, Mohist, and, heck, even Ha

by mlchild 13y ago

I took the class because it was supposed to be easy and satisfied (then-core) requirements. But I still regularly consider Confucian, Mohist, and, heck, even Han Feizi(an?) philosophy and their applications to daily life. Chinese philosophy nails the importance of the quotidian (to quote the article) in shaping one's world view. It's akin to PG arguing that what you think about in the shower matters or that living with your cofounders is optimal. I found it enriching. In the end, isn't the point of a good education—to get you to see the world differently, even if it's more superficial lures that draw you in?

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- corin_ 13y ago
  It's fine to think that of him, but at least have the balls to say it from your normal account.
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Sagat 13y ago
Be honest. Are you actually going to use those diluted feel-good aphorisms to shape your life?
- ogig 13y ago
  "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself" You can shape an awesome life for you and others using this "diluted feel-good aphorism".
  - Sagat 13y ago
    That's not a feel-good aphorism. That's a principle that is at the core of religions and philosophies practiced by billions. It's not universally applied, but people are actively trying to teach it.
    - hosh 13y ago
      So what is an example of a feel-good aphorism in this context?
- cliffu 13y ago
  "When three men are walking together, there is one who can be my teacher."
- DanBC 13y ago
  “Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.” -- Jack Handy.
- RockyMcNuts 13y ago
  thanks for the casual dismissal of an advanced culture's millennia of thought...sort of like someone from the East asking their kid why they're studying Socrates...are you really going to use those non-elder-respecting boy-loving selfish hedonistic dialogues to shape your life?
  - Sagat 13y ago
    I'm not dismissing Eastern thought. On the contrary, I am dismissing a course which apparently makes a pleasant sounding mishmash of the entire output of an advanced civilization.
    - RockyMcNuts 13y ago
      guess I missed that part of TFA. "He requires his students to closely read original texts (in translation) such as Confucius’s Analects, the Mencius, and the Daodejing and then actively put the teachings into practice in their daily lives."
- hosh 13y ago
  If those aphorisms are diluted and feel-good (implying shallow, superficial, and falsely enthusiastic), that has less to do with the course, and more to do with the person applying it into their life. No teacher, parent, or authority figure can make you more mindful of the little things. Filtered from the article, it may seem diluted, but the point is for the student to look beyond their immediate, tunnel vision.
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- michaelochurch 13y ago
  Downvoted. This is exactly the anti-intellectualism that makes me sick. Every university has terrible students, pre-bankers and pre-consultants who just want a cake walk, and I'm sure there are many who take the course just for the easy A. I also believe there are others who get a lot out of it. Education is, largely, what you make of it. But this idea that Chinese philosophy is "feel-good aphorisms" is the sickening anti-intellectualism that I fucking hate about business and, increasingly, the tech industry. If the only thing you get out of your study is the superficial, that's on you, not the material.

by mlchild 13y ago

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corin_ 13y ago
It's fine to think that of him, but at least have the balls to say it from your normal account.
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Sagat 13y ago

Be honest. Are you actually going to use those diluted feel-good aphorisms to shape your life?

ogig 13y ago
"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself" You can shape an awesome life for you and others using this "diluted feel-good aphorism".
- Sagat 13y ago
  That's not a feel-good aphorism. That's a principle that is at the core of religions and philosophies practiced by billions. It's not universally applied, but people are actively trying to teach it.
  - hosh 13y ago
    So what is an example of a feel-good aphorism in this context?
cliffu 13y ago
"When three men are walking together, there is one who can be my teacher."
DanBC 13y ago
“Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.” -- Jack Handy.
RockyMcNuts 13y ago
thanks for the casual dismissal of an advanced culture's millennia of thought...sort of like someone from the East asking their kid why they're studying Socrates...are you really going to use those non-elder-respecting boy-loving selfish hedonistic dialogues to shape your life?
- Sagat 13y ago
  I'm not dismissing Eastern thought. On the contrary, I am dismissing a course which apparently makes a pleasant sounding mishmash of the entire output of an advanced civilization.
  - RockyMcNuts 13y ago
    guess I missed that part of TFA. "He requires his students to closely read original texts (in translation) such as Confucius’s Analects, the Mencius, and the Daodejing and then actively put the teachings into practice in their daily lives."
hosh 13y ago
If those aphorisms are diluted and feel-good (implying shallow, superficial, and falsely enthusiastic), that has less to do with the course, and more to do with the person applying it into their life. No teacher, parent, or authority figure can make you more mindful of the little things. Filtered from the article, it may seem diluted, but the point is for the student to look beyond their immediate, tunnel vision.
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michaelochurch 13y ago
Downvoted. This is exactly the anti-intellectualism that makes me sick. Every university has terrible students, pre-bankers and pre-consultants who just want a cake walk, and I'm sure there are many who take the course just for the easy A. I also believe there are others who get a lot out of it. Education is, largely, what you make of it. But this idea that Chinese philosophy is "feel-good aphorisms" is the sickening anti-intellectualism that I fucking hate about business and, increasingly, the tech industry. If the only thing you get out of your study is the superficial, that's on you, not the material.