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My intention was society-blaming, not victim-blaming. See elsewhere in this thread for my response to that point. Bringing up that men can also be raped and wi

My intention was society-blaming, not victim-blaming. See elsewhere in this thread for my response to that point. Bringing up that men can also be raped and will feel 'the exact same way' is a good point, but I believe a red herring. A central point of my argument is that all people do not feel 'the same way'. It's exactly the fact that some people feel differently that makes clear that the consequences for Justine's life could have been far less if she had had different beliefs. And I bring this up because I believe it can reduce the consequences for future Justines and perhaps is useful to future Justine.

DanBC 13y ago
People react differently to difficult events. Some children who are abused recover quickly. Others are messed up for many many years. We agree so far. But so what? Are you suggesting that she is wrong to feel so distraught? Or that society is doing something to encourage her to feel this distraught? Because from I read I see a lot of society blaming her for what happened and telling her to get over it.
- chris_wot 13y ago
  But so what? Are you suggesting that she is wrong to feel so distraught? Or that society is doing something to encourage her to feel this distraught? Because from I read I see a lot of society blaming her for what happened and telling her to get over it. I agree. I can't believe some of the comments. The top rated post at the moment is from someone who feels sympathy with the abuser and who believes it was the fault of the victim. Who then edited his comment to say that her DUI charges were unforgivable, as if this somehow caused her to be assaulted. Other commentators are basically saying similar things - she fell apart, what's with that, why can't she jut get over it? Another comment says that the language she used about her assault is ambiguous and can't have been all that bad. Yet others are implying or stating baldly that she did consent to being groped in public by her boss! Frankly, it sickens me to read the comments these fools are making.
  - sliverstorm 13y ago
    Who then edited his comment to say that her DUI charges were unforgivable I avoided that part of the post, but a DUI is something you bring on yourself and not something I can easily forgive. People driving drunk kill people. You don't get to say, "Yes I could have murdered people but don't you see I was distraught". "Oh, ok, it's fine then"

DanBC 13y ago

People react differently to difficult events. Some children who are abused recover quickly. Others are messed up for many many years. We agree so far. But so what? Are you suggesting that she is wrong to feel so distraught? Or that society is doing something to encourage her to feel this distraught? Because from I read I see a lot of society blaming her for what happened and telling her to get over it.

chris_wot 13y ago
But so what? Are you suggesting that she is wrong to feel so distraught? Or that society is doing something to encourage her to feel this distraught? Because from I read I see a lot of society blaming her for what happened and telling her to get over it. I agree. I can't believe some of the comments. The top rated post at the moment is from someone who feels sympathy with the abuser and who believes it was the fault of the victim. Who then edited his comment to say that her DUI charges were unforgivable, as if this somehow caused her to be assaulted. Other commentators are basically saying similar things - she fell apart, what's with that, why can't she jut get over it? Another comment says that the language she used about her assault is ambiguous and can't have been all that bad. Yet others are implying or stating baldly that she did consent to being groped in public by her boss! Frankly, it sickens me to read the comments these fools are making.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  Who then edited his comment to say that her DUI charges were unforgivable I avoided that part of the post, but a DUI is something you bring on yourself and not something I can easily forgive. People driving drunk kill people. You don't get to say, "Yes I could have murdered people but don't you see I was distraught". "Oh, ok, it's fine then"