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WikiLeaks Releases Fifth Estate Challenger: Mediastan
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- cma 13y agoWritten by michealochurch?
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- selmnoo 13y agoAssange should do a Reddit AMA promoting this movie, seeing as Cumberbatch just got done promoting The Fifth Estate yesterday on Reddit. The Cumberbatch AMA was very disappointing, because all upvoted questions were just fawning compliments from Cumberbatch fans.
- elisee 13y agoFor what it's worth, he did address a question regarding his portrayal of Mr Assange with more than a few words: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1o8l5f/i_am_benedict_cumberbatch_ama/ccpqb90 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1o8l5f/i_am_benedict_c...
- selmnoo 13y agoGiven that he's pretty anti-Manning (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/14/benedict-cumberbatch-interview-fifth-estate http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/14/benedict-cumberb...) I strongly doubt that's a genuine response. Most likely it was written by a PR manager. A Redditor made a very discerning comment about possible motives behind the movie here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1o8l5f/i_am_benedict_cumberbatch_ama/ccpxfqv http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1o8l5f/i_am_benedict_c...
- bowlofpetunias 13y agoFeel free to scroll all the way down on that Guardian interview, below which is the response of Cumberbatch to the way he feels his opinion about Manning was misrepresented in the article.
- geofft 13y agoHow is that anti-Manning? The greatness in what Manning did is that she knew that she was breaking a law and she knew that there was no way she'd be able to avoid punishment and she did so anyway. To say "she broke a law" and "I don't see why Obama should grant a pardon" is not anti-Manning in any way. If anything, it recognizes that she knew what the consequences are when deciding on her actions. Also, quoting from the first comment by GuardianMod: > In a note sent to the Guardian after publication of this story, Benedict Cumberbatch said: > > "I feel my views have been misrepresented. Do I think Manning should be pardoned? Yes. Do I think that's likely to happen? Sadly no. Re Snowdon I said in the interview that the use of threats to life as a reason to erode civil liberties through intrusive government surveillance can also be as dangerous to democracy as the terrorism such actions claim to be preventing. This wasn't printed for some reason." So I think we're either positing a massive conspiracy where Benedict Cumberbatch appears to be very pro-Manning/Snowden/Assange but isn't, and employs a PR manager (with a distinctive writing style) to keep up that appearance for some reason, or the state of the world in which he actually is.
- pests 13y agoI don't want to imply anything with this comment but the number of accounts with the same or similar age as Cumberbatch participating in that thread is highly unusual.
- TomGullen 13y agoYou forgot to mention the important fact that he's a new account. Seems perfectly plausible that people saw the AMA, and it spurred some lurkers to sign up a new account so they could ask a question.
- selmnoo 13y agoA lot of the accounts that were replying were not simply new, they were 3 days old -- incidentally also the age of the account with which Cumberbatch was participating in the AMA.
- gknoy 13y agoGiven the size of Reddit, I wonder what the probability distribution of new accounts would be be on an article.
- yohui 13y agoHow do you figure that? Manually checking the ages of accounts proved laborious and unrewarding.
- mwilcox 13y agoWith RES you can simply hover over the usernames of comments to check without loading a new page.
- rwmj 13y agoWhy doesn't he just release this as a video file?
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- teamgb 13y agoIt's free this weekend for people in the UK, everyone else can rent it online for just one pound (about $1.50) from Journeyman Pictures. If you prefer to do things differently, a magnet link is available here: http://pastebin.com/6RVSpTAa http://pastebin.com/6RVSpTAa
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- interstitial 13y agoYou or someone you know probably suffers from a monoculture, statist-based education. Dig through some pre-20th century civil thought and you will come across: "Adversarial Systems" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adversarial_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adversarial_system There you will find a natural remedy dating back thousands of years that holds that subservience and conformity are poor forms of governance.
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- paul9290 13y agoAssange is sure helping with this movie's publicity.
- victorantos 13y agowatch it free this weekend if you are from UK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbenFTcisY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbenFTcisY
- neur0mancer 13y agoFree for all, enjoy while it last: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6DDC4CV0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6DDC4CV0s
- Theodores 13y agoCurrently at 2426 views. Only 910,883,012 more views to snatch the number two spot in the 'most watched on YouTube' charts from Justin Bieber. Should be a snip...
- anigbrowl 13y agoOne of these things is not like the other.
- charlus 13y agoI saw this last week with a really fascinating Q&A from Assange, thought he was very compelling. I'm not sure how the people of Sixteen Films will feel about this "challenging" The Fifth Estate though. It was a worthwhile doc as well, worth the watch - much better than the Alex Gibney thing earlier this year, which felt very much phoned in.
- milesf 13y agoGive me something I can print off and a way to attach it to a movie poster without damaging the theatre owner's display case and I'll visit my local theatres and make sure the URL and QR code to "Mediastan" is visible to all patron who go to see "The Fifth Estate"
- selmnoo 13y agohttp://b.vimeocdn.com/us/vod_poster/781/7816_275.jpg http://b.vimeocdn.com/us/vod_poster/781/7816_275.jpg -- but I cannot find a large sized one. Try asking @wikileaks (https://twitter.com/wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks)
- grumpycord 13y agohttp://www.scribd.com/doc/175613597/Wl-Media http://www.scribd.com/doc/175613597/Wl-Media
- milesf 13y agoThat's kind of the idea, but I'm thinking something that send the message about 5th Estate being fiction as well, so watch this movie after you see this one. Sorry, IANA designer or a copy writer.
- aclevernickname 13y agoThis is currently being shared on The Pirate Bay[1], for those of us not living in the UK, and too poor to pay for a viewing/DRM. [1] http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9039415/Mediastan http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9039415/Mediastan
- andor 13y agoYou can also just buy the movie from anywhere in the world, DRM-free, from vimeo. https://vimeo.com/ondemand/mediastan https://vimeo.com/ondemand/mediastan
- grey-area 13y agoThis is nothing like Fifth Estate, but it does look really interesting in its own right. Not a drama so much as the diary of a road trip through central asia with wikileaks workers along for the ride, interjecting with their own stories and negotiating with journalists about the cable releases. I've skipped through a few interviews, and it's enlightening (for me at least) as an overview of the region's politics and the attitude of journalists to publishing these cables. I'll be going back to watch it all. [EDIT] The section on Afghanistan starting at 0:45 or so is particularly interesting.
- carlosdp 13y agoWhy is an organization hell-bent on free information trying to censor a movie because they don't like it? Isn't that entirely contradictory to their mission?
- jamesbritt 13y agoIn what way are they trying to censor The Fifth Estate?
- koala_advert 13y agoThey say it isn't the truth. They aren't trying to censor it, they're trying to get the truth out. How is that censorship?
- spacebe4time 13y agoThis neurotic guy Assange and his bunch aren't about freedom of information. They are all about pushing their own agenda to cause as much damage to the US as they can. Otherwise, how can you explain that Assange had TV show on Russia Today sponsored by Russian regime, which is well known for suppression of journalists they don't like.
- ParadisoShlee 13y agoYou say that like it's a bad thing?
- xanth 13y agoLol, they have it free only if you have a UK ip. Wrong audience to do that to.
- askar_yu 13y agoThis was one of those rare cases where I was ready to pay for the video; but then I am confronted with "Sorry, this film is not available in your region." and the buy or rent buttons are disabled. But guess what, somebody has uploaded it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6DDC4CV0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6DDC4CV0s
- andor 13y agoThis is a movie about freedom of speech, self-censorship in media, and which people are really put at risk by publishing cables (hint: corruption and organized crime). Short summary, including spoilers: A group of Wikileaks-affiliated journalists tries to find media partners in the -stan countries that would publish Wikileaks cables locally. The meetings with those organizations are set up as interviews about free speech in their respective countries. As a surprise in those meetings, they are offered the cables about their own country. They film the initial reactions, try to sign a gentlemen's agreement about how the cables should be handled, and follow up if any stories were published. It's really interesting to see what happens. Some sign the agreement, but don't publish anything. One guy in Kazakhstan actually says that he doesn't want democracy. The editor of a newspaper in Turkmenistan that they speak to turns out to be a member of parliament. That newspaper has a picture of Turkmenistan's president on it's front page every day. Then, Alan Rusbridger from The Guardian and Bill Keller from the NYT are interviewed. It's astonishing to see that media in the US and UK have similar fears than those in the -stan countries. For example, Assange criticized that The Guardian redacted the names of a mafia boss, who according to cables had close ties with Uzbekistan's president. They apparently did this because they fear libel lawsuits, in which the burden of proof would lie on the libeler.