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I hear what you are saying and it sound reasonable... but I just cannot imagine myself asking that question in that situation. Wine, candles, excitement of 'the

by honzzz 13y ago

I hear what you are saying and it sound reasonable... but I just cannot imagine myself asking that question in that situation. Wine, candles, excitement of 'the first time with her' and tenderness... and suddenly I hear myself saying 'can I stick my hand into your panties?' Talk about a mood-killer. Please try to imagine it. If your proposal gets traction I will probably never have sex again. It's a good thing I do not live in the US - I am afraid they will need signed contracts for that. I am sorry but I really think we are solving the wrong problem here - this is not going to save the victims but it might ruin something very precious. Am I being over-sensitive?

wilkie 13y ago
If you haven't, in a soft voice, in a comfortable place, in a responsible way ever asked someone if they would like help taking off their pants... you are missing out. It's not that hard. Really. There are lots of reasonable questions that also act as good communication that I really don't want to teach you. Hey! There's a good question to ask next time!
- honzzz 13y ago
  Apples and oranges. It's one thing to ask because you feel like it. It's another thing to have to ask because it's mandatory.
  - wilkie 13y ago
    "because you feel like it" ... this is a terrible thing to conclude. Let's just all 'feel like' getting consent, alright?
    - honzzz 13y ago
      "because you feel like it" ... this is a terrible thing to conclude. Let's just all 'feel like' getting consent, alright? Please do not pretend that I am saying something terrible that I never said. It is obvious from what I said in this thread that I am all for 'getting consent' - I just do not think that problem of lack of respect for women can be solved by mandating verbal consent instead of non-verbal. I think your latest response is intellectually dishonest because it takes my "because you feel like it" quote out of context in such a way which implies that I would be OK with no consent at all... that is something I would never say.

by honzzz 13y ago

wilkie 13y ago

If you haven't, in a soft voice, in a comfortable place, in a responsible way ever asked someone if they would like help taking off their pants... you are missing out. It's not that hard. Really. There are lots of reasonable questions that also act as good communication that I really don't want to teach you. Hey! There's a good question to ask next time!

honzzz 13y ago
Apples and oranges. It's one thing to ask because you feel like it. It's another thing to have to ask because it's mandatory.
- wilkie 13y ago
  "because you feel like it" ... this is a terrible thing to conclude. Let's just all 'feel like' getting consent, alright?
  - honzzz 13y ago
    "because you feel like it" ... this is a terrible thing to conclude. Let's just all 'feel like' getting consent, alright? Please do not pretend that I am saying something terrible that I never said. It is obvious from what I said in this thread that I am all for 'getting consent' - I just do not think that problem of lack of respect for women can be solved by mandating verbal consent instead of non-verbal. I think your latest response is intellectually dishonest because it takes my "because you feel like it" quote out of context in such a way which implies that I would be OK with no consent at all... that is something I would never say.