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You believe people should go to bars with the expectation they'll be sexually assaulted?

• ck2 13y ago
  What part of "not her fault" was not clear? But I believe if you hang out with people who drink a lot, often, sooner or later you are going to regret being associated with them.
  • steveklabnik 13y ago
    The reason you're getting flak is that it sounds like you're saying "I mean, I'm not saying her fault, but basically, she should have expected it, so it's her fault." This may just be because textual communication is hard. Letting you know in case that's not what you mean.
    • ck2 13y ago
      That is most certainly not what I mean. Her final plea for "no touching" is beyond reasonable, it shouldn't even have to be said or explained. Just like it should not have to be explained, if people drink a lot, sooner or later those people are going to do insanely stupid, irreversible things, like drive drunk.
  • sneak 13y ago
    The problem is that ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITIES "drink a lot, often". Not hanging out is mutex with a top-notch career. I go and drink one drink and then switch to soda. But don't pretend that it's only some subset of the US tech industry.
    • ck2 13y ago
      I refuse to accept that as a norm. And you already proved the exception by suggesting you can just drink soda and no-one thinks any less of you.
      • steveklabnik 13y ago
        Often, people will think less of you. I have a 'straightedge' tattoo on my back, and even though I'd go to bars, never mention it, and just drink Coke, others felt that by not drinking I was judging them. I lost friends over it. I drink now. Possibly too much.
        • general_failure 13y ago
          Seems like people like you are easily convinced to do anything. And promptly blame others when bad things happen. Best of luck.
          • steveklabnik 13y ago
            Like most things in life, the answer is much more complex than that. I decided that having experiences was a better life choice than teetoataling. I don't blame anyone for my decision to drink, it was a conscious choice on my part.
            • pjackson 13y ago
              My straightedge tattoo is on the back of my left hand. Like many, I gave it up later in life. No shame in that, so long as you can avoid assaulting subordinates or killing people with your car. In all seriousness, there were SO MANY bad decisions in the original story. They just happen to all belong to Joe. I have no doubt he'd have made different choices while sober. But it's not the fault of the "alcohol culture" or "tech", it's Joe's.
            • pjackson 13y ago
              My straightedge tattoo is on the back of my left hand. Like many, I gave it up later in life. No shame in that, so long as you can avoid assaulting subordinates or killing people with your car. In all seriousness, there were SO MANY bad decisions in the original story. They just happen to all belong to Joe. I have no doubt he'd have made different choices while sober. But it's not the fault of the "alcohol culture" or "tech", it's Joe's.