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Cool advice. Now please tell me about an industry where "drinking with the guys" is not a central part of the networking/socializing needed to have a career.

ck2 13y ago
In recent months this year I’ve been arrested, charged with a DUI ... become a borderline alcoholic She has been drinking and driving. This is not just peer pressure, this is unforgivable.
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  Yes, victims are often traumatized after an event like this, and it causes them to make poor decisions later. That doesn't invalidate the assault. Consent is consent.
  - ck2 13y ago
    I blame the boss for a whole bunch of things but where it gets to the point of getting drunk and then getting behind a wheel and killing me or my friends, that's where the victim turns into a criminal without forgiveness. Your level of unconditional forgiveness becomes an excuse that I cannot accept.
    - ddagradi 13y ago
      According to the post, she was punished by the law for that (DUI). What else are you asking for?
      - ck2 13y ago
        There's no mention of punishment, only arrest. I'm asking, insisting actually, she doesn't drive if she is going to do drugs. Getting sober is a better request but I cannot make her do that, she has to find a way herself.
        chris_wot 13y ago
        She says she went to jail.
    - steveklabnik 13y ago
      The two incidents are separate. If she drove drunk, she should face the music. That doesn't excuse previous sexual assault. This thread isn't about Justine's DUI. Furthermore, psychological trauma is a thing.
  - philwelch 13y ago
    And if she ran over a pedestrian while intoxicated? Hey, maybe Joe was acting out because of a traumatic event in his past? Look, I can sympathize with her because of what she's been through, but that doesn't earn her exoneration or excuses for her "bad decisions".
- konstruktor 13y ago
  Nice ad hominem, but it doesn't address my question. Also, what you are taking out of context here is the author describing her life falling apart after this incident, not her behaviour before the incident.

ck2 13y ago

In recent months this year I’ve been arrested, charged with a DUI ... become a borderline alcoholic She has been drinking and driving. This is not just peer pressure, this is unforgivable.

steveklabnik 13y ago
Yes, victims are often traumatized after an event like this, and it causes them to make poor decisions later. That doesn't invalidate the assault. Consent is consent.
- ck2 13y ago
  I blame the boss for a whole bunch of things but where it gets to the point of getting drunk and then getting behind a wheel and killing me or my friends, that's where the victim turns into a criminal without forgiveness. Your level of unconditional forgiveness becomes an excuse that I cannot accept.
  - ddagradi 13y ago
    According to the post, she was punished by the law for that (DUI). What else are you asking for?
    - ck2 13y ago
      There's no mention of punishment, only arrest. I'm asking, insisting actually, she doesn't drive if she is going to do drugs. Getting sober is a better request but I cannot make her do that, she has to find a way herself.
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        She says she went to jail.
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    The two incidents are separate. If she drove drunk, she should face the music. That doesn't excuse previous sexual assault. This thread isn't about Justine's DUI. Furthermore, psychological trauma is a thing.
- philwelch 13y ago
  And if she ran over a pedestrian while intoxicated? Hey, maybe Joe was acting out because of a traumatic event in his past? Look, I can sympathize with her because of what she's been through, but that doesn't earn her exoneration or excuses for her "bad decisions".
konstruktor 13y ago
Nice ad hominem, but it doesn't address my question. Also, what you are taking out of context here is the author describing her life falling apart after this incident, not her behaviour before the incident.