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This isn't her fault at all but I have to say this: Hang around people doing drugs (large amounts of alcohol) and bad things are guaranteed to happen sooner or
by ck2 13y ago
This isn't her fault at all but I have to say this:
Hang around people doing drugs (large amounts of alcohol) and bad things are guaranteed to happen sooner or later.
- konstruktor 13y agoCool advice. Now please tell me about an industry where "drinking with the guys" is not a central part of the networking/socializing needed to have a career.
- ck2 13y agoIn recent months this year I’ve been arrested, charged with a DUI ... become a borderline alcoholic She has been drinking and driving. This is not just peer pressure, this is unforgivable.
- steveklabnik 13y agoYes, victims are often traumatized after an event like this, and it causes them to make poor decisions later. That doesn't invalidate the assault. Consent is consent.
- ck2 13y agoI blame the boss for a whole bunch of things but where it gets to the point of getting drunk and then getting behind a wheel and killing me or my friends, that's where the victim turns into a criminal without forgiveness. Your level of unconditional forgiveness becomes an excuse that I cannot accept.
- ddagradi 13y agoAccording to the post, she was punished by the law for that (DUI). What else are you asking for?
- steveklabnik 13y agoThe two incidents are separate. If she drove drunk, she should face the music. That doesn't excuse previous sexual assault. This thread isn't about Justine's DUI. Furthermore, psychological trauma is a thing.
- philwelch 13y agoAnd if she ran over a pedestrian while intoxicated? Hey, maybe Joe was acting out because of a traumatic event in his past? Look, I can sympathize with her because of what she's been through, but that doesn't earn her exoneration or excuses for her "bad decisions".
- konstruktor 13y agoNice ad hominem, but it doesn't address my question. Also, what you are taking out of context here is the author describing her life falling apart after this incident, not her behaviour before the incident.
- iMark 13y agoYou believe people should go to bars with the expectation they'll be sexually assaulted?
- ck2 13y agoWhat part of "not her fault" was not clear? But I believe if you hang out with people who drink a lot, often, sooner or later you are going to regret being associated with them.
- steveklabnik 13y agoThe reason you're getting flak is that it sounds like you're saying "I mean, I'm not saying her fault, but basically, she should have expected it, so it's her fault." This may just be because textual communication is hard. Letting you know in case that's not what you mean.
- ck2 13y agoThat is most certainly not what I mean. Her final plea for "no touching" is beyond reasonable, it shouldn't even have to be said or explained. Just like it should not have to be explained, if people drink a lot, sooner or later those people are going to do insanely stupid, irreversible things, like drive drunk.
- sneak 13y agoThe problem is that ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITIES "drink a lot, often". Not hanging out is mutex with a top-notch career. I go and drink one drink and then switch to soda. But don't pretend that it's only some subset of the US tech industry.
- ck2 13y agoI refuse to accept that as a norm. And you already proved the exception by suggesting you can just drink soda and no-one thinks any less of you.