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Wow, what was I thinking. You definitely should never, ever, report crimes to the police. Especially if there were two witness bar staff!

steveklabnik 13y ago
It is possible that, in the moment, that would have made a difference. Remember this assault occurred almost a year ago. Furthermore, I didn't say 'crimes,' I said sexual assault. Again, I am not being abstract: if you talk to anyone who works with sexual assault victims, you know how futile that course of action is. Let's not forget that lawyers cost money, for example.
- ryan-allen 13y ago
  Statue of limitations on sexual assault is longer than 9 months. Two witnesses that can be tracked down. You are advising against not even trying to press charges? Character assassination without trial is better? The courts exist for a reason and there were two witnesses. Do you have any citations for the futility of reporting a crime with two witnesses?
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    > Do you have any citations for the futility of reporting a crime with two witnesses? http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-ra... http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/43249/ http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/43249/ That's just two.
    - makomk 13y ago
      So in other words, no, you don't have any citations but are going to link statistics based on totally different situations in order to make reporting this kind of crime seem futile. In fact, let me quote from one of the links you posted: "The victim of a rape or sexual assault possesses a rare commodity, the knowledge of the crime (Allen, 2007). In most rape and sexual assault cases there is little physical evidence to prove that there was an assault or to differentiate the assault from consensual sexual activity. Consequently, in any rape case, the outcome of the trial is highly dependent on the testimony of the victim. Therefore, victims rely heavily on their own credibility in the eyes of the public. In reporting a rape, victims are opening themselves up to society’s judgment and public scrutiny of their stories." It doesn't even consider the possibility that there might be corraborating witnesses because there generally aren't. Also, the main point of the paper - that women don't report they were raped because of the social consequences of doing so - applies even more to writing a blog post about it than it does to reporting it to the police anyway.
wilkie 13y ago
Can we agree that you speak from an idealistic, not realistic, point of view? https://twitter.com/kittystryker/status/388925083559141376 https://twitter.com/kittystryker/status/388925083559141376
wilkie 13y ago
This is the painted lie that her company allowed him to make: http://objo.com/2013/01/31/funemployment/ http://objo.com/2013/01/31/funemployment/ This is the reality. I don't hold too much optimism that the police would somehow solve this problem considering the damage done and the lack of any support to go back to.
- ryan-allen 13y ago
  THERE WERE TWO WITNESSES. His blog post is irrelevant to his guilt or innocence based on a blog post of another individual. Two witnesses is pretty clear cut. It's called 'corroboration', you should look it up and learn something perhaps!
  - wilkie 13y ago
    Read this slowly, you can do it-- you're good at reading: It should be expected not that victims live up to another's definition of responsibility, but that people be responsible enough not to create victims.
  - DigitalJack 13y ago
    The problem is what did they witness? A girl doing a bodyshot, followed by the man who took the shot kissing her and getting hands on. In this post I don't see anything indicating she tried to reject these moves. I don't see how somebody could tell it was unwanted from a third person perspective.
    - steveklabnik 13y ago
      > The executive's posture and actions aggressive; "no" was not a possibility. She was visibly upset and shut down. That's an understatement. I saw somebody trapped in a nightmare, in public. That freeze frame is burned into my brain. http://theotherzach.com/writes/2013/10/9/events http://theotherzach.com/writes/2013/10/9/events
    - GeorgeOrr 13y ago
      By "getting hands on" to be clear you are referring to his fondling her backside and front. Just to be clear, what those witness saw was molestation in progress. Thank god one of them gave her a chance to escape. Thank god there was one person not like you there.

steveklabnik 13y ago

It is possible that, in the moment, that would have made a difference. Remember this assault occurred almost a year ago. Furthermore, I didn't say 'crimes,' I said sexual assault. Again, I am not being abstract: if you talk to anyone who works with sexual assault victims, you know how futile that course of action is. Let's not forget that lawyers cost money, for example.

ryan-allen 13y ago
Statue of limitations on sexual assault is longer than 9 months. Two witnesses that can be tracked down. You are advising against not even trying to press charges? Character assassination without trial is better? The courts exist for a reason and there were two witnesses. Do you have any citations for the futility of reporting a crime with two witnesses?
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  > Do you have any citations for the futility of reporting a crime with two witnesses? http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-ra... http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/43249/ http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/43249/ That's just two.
  - makomk 13y ago
    So in other words, no, you don't have any citations but are going to link statistics based on totally different situations in order to make reporting this kind of crime seem futile. In fact, let me quote from one of the links you posted: "The victim of a rape or sexual assault possesses a rare commodity, the knowledge of the crime (Allen, 2007). In most rape and sexual assault cases there is little physical evidence to prove that there was an assault or to differentiate the assault from consensual sexual activity. Consequently, in any rape case, the outcome of the trial is highly dependent on the testimony of the victim. Therefore, victims rely heavily on their own credibility in the eyes of the public. In reporting a rape, victims are opening themselves up to society’s judgment and public scrutiny of their stories." It doesn't even consider the possibility that there might be corraborating witnesses because there generally aren't. Also, the main point of the paper - that women don't report they were raped because of the social consequences of doing so - applies even more to writing a blog post about it than it does to reporting it to the police anyway.

wilkie 13y ago

Can we agree that you speak from an idealistic, not realistic, point of view? https://twitter.com/kittystryker/status/388925083559141376 https://twitter.com/kittystryker/status/388925083559141376

wilkie 13y ago

This is the painted lie that her company allowed him to make: http://objo.com/2013/01/31/funemployment/ http://objo.com/2013/01/31/funemployment/ This is the reality. I don't hold too much optimism that the police would somehow solve this problem considering the damage done and the lack of any support to go back to.

ryan-allen 13y ago
THERE WERE TWO WITNESSES. His blog post is irrelevant to his guilt or innocence based on a blog post of another individual. Two witnesses is pretty clear cut. It's called 'corroboration', you should look it up and learn something perhaps!
- wilkie 13y ago
  Read this slowly, you can do it-- you're good at reading: It should be expected not that victims live up to another's definition of responsibility, but that people be responsible enough not to create victims.
- DigitalJack 13y ago
  The problem is what did they witness? A girl doing a bodyshot, followed by the man who took the shot kissing her and getting hands on. In this post I don't see anything indicating she tried to reject these moves. I don't see how somebody could tell it was unwanted from a third person perspective.
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    > The executive's posture and actions aggressive; "no" was not a possibility. She was visibly upset and shut down. That's an understatement. I saw somebody trapped in a nightmare, in public. That freeze frame is burned into my brain. http://theotherzach.com/writes/2013/10/9/events http://theotherzach.com/writes/2013/10/9/events
  - GeorgeOrr 13y ago
    By "getting hands on" to be clear you are referring to his fondling her backside and front. Just to be clear, what those witness saw was molestation in progress. Thank god one of them gave her a chance to escape. Thank god there was one person not like you there.