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> Taxes are NOT 60% for business, it's 30%. Oh come on, you know that when you sum up all taxes and regulations, it costs way more than 30%, it's more like 50%

> Taxes are NOT 60% for business, it's 30%. Oh come on, you know that when you sum up all taxes and regulations, it costs way more than 30%, it's more like 50% minimum. > It can go up to a bit less than 60% on personal incomes.That is if your are extremely rich How naive, when you make 2000€, you cost 4000€ to your employer. That means your real salary is 4000 € minus 50% that goes through taxes that your employer pays but really he's passing the costs on you unless you think he's paying you a free meal. So that's 50% already for everyone, then you have to subtract 20 to 30% on the 2000€. So yeah, my 60% is pretty accurate. > Your personal (and imho, stupid as fuck, even if I don't particularly like our government) opinion. First of all, no need to be so rude. Second, it is being insane. Their answer to everything is more tax even though this is killing the economy. It's clear now that France is governed by a theocracy, a new serfdom where God is Public spending, the clergé is the public workers that pay no taxes and get to retire early with big salaries and lots of privileges and the Tiers état is the people paying for the rest. http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-est-gouvernee-par-une-theocratie/ http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-es... > a doctor (she's one of the best in her domain, worldwide, fwiw). This cost me 21€ the first time and 7.5€ So one of the best doctors is paid 21€ and 7.5€? Wow, that's less than flipping burgers at your local burger joint. Do you do consulting at this price too? Anyway, this is an anecdotical evidence of yours. It's a fact that Securité social does not reimburse much any more and yet you still have to pay for it and get a private insurance on the side. This is well documented http://www.securite-sociale.info/ http://www.securite-sociale.info/ > it's either for a non-competition contract or that you fired people without being able to give a reason. Too bad for you, workers are a bit protected in this country. See, this is where we disagree. It is my company, my private property. I should be able to do as I please with it as long as don't mess with other's freedom, this is a constitutional right in the declaration of human rights, private property is sacred. I should be allowed to employ and stop employing whoever I want, whenever I want. This is why there is so much unemployment in France, it's so hard and costly to fire people that we'd rather not employ them. You think you're helping workers but you're not, you're creating more unemployment. Countries like Switzerland that don't have such "protection" have much less unemployment. > A few cunt like Depardieu left Are you serious? The richest man in France has left and many of the top richest famillies have left: LVMH, Lacoste, Peugeot etc. Not only that but most of our artists and sports men have left. Anyone who creates lots of wealth has left the country. Don't you see a wrong pattern here? How blind can one be. http://www.latribune.fr/vos-finances/impots/fiscalite/20111201trib000668201/decouvrez-la-liste-des-44-plus-grandes-fortunes-francaises-exilees-en-suisse.html http://www.latribune.fr/vos-finances/impots/fiscalite/201112...

abolibibelot 13y ago
>God is Public spending, the clergé is the public workers that pay no taxes and get to retire early with big salaries and lots of privileges and the Tiers état is the people paying for the rest. http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-est-gouvernee-par-une-theocratie/ http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-es... Yep, because as any Friedman loving economist (like Charles Gave you're linking to) will tell you, there's only one God and it's the Market. >So one of the best doctors is paid 21€ and 7.5€? No, you see, that's the thing about Social Security (you seem to know so much about), that's what the OP paid, the rest was paid to the doctor by the Social Security. This is well documented in http://www.securite-sociale.info/ http://www.securite-sociale.info/ you should take a look. >See, this is where we disagree. It is my company, my private property. I should be able to do as I please with it as long as don't mess with other's freedom, this is a constitutional right in the declaration of human rights, private property is sacred. "There is just one God, and it's private property". Where did you find "private property is sacred" anywhere in the declaration of human rights? >Are you serious? The richest man in France has left and many of the top richest famillies have left: LVMH, Lacoste, Peugeot etc. Yep and Apple, Google et al. don't pay any corporate taxes. Surely, the problem is the taxes.
- patrickaljord 13y ago
  > Yep, because as any Friedman loving economist (like Charles Gave you're linking to) will tell you, there's only one God and it's the Market. Oh but I love Friedman too. And what's wrong with the market? What else is the market but people freely exchanging goods and services voluntary? What is more peaceful than two people making a voluntary deal? What are we entrepreneurs doing if not that? See Friedman's famous pencil example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTRau_XgGs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTRau_XgGs > No, you see, that's the thing about Social Security (you seem to know so much about), that's what the OP paid, the rest was paid to the doctor by the Social Security. That's my point, 21€ and 7.5€ is what you see, what you don't see is the 60% income tax we all pay to get this. Not really that cheap anymore. > Where did you find "private property is sacred" anywhere in the declaration of human rights? omg, really? You haven't even read the first line of the declaration? Here you go: "dans une Déclaration solennelle, les droits naturels, inaliénables et sacrés de l’homme" Article 2: "Ces droits sont la liberté, la propriété, la sûreté et la résistance à l’oppression." Well, that was easy :) http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/histoire/dudh/1789.asp http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/histoire/dudh/1789.asp > Surely, the problem is the taxes. Good, now you get it. Finally here's another good one from the 1789 act: "Un peuple libre n'acquitte que des contributions, un peuple esclave paie des impôts »". A free people pays bills (ie from private companies), a people of slaves pays taxes. Yep, that's from our founding fathers. Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand could not have put it better. Have a nice day citoyen :)

abolibibelot 13y ago

>God is Public spending, the clergé is the public workers that pay no taxes and get to retire early with big salaries and lots of privileges and the Tiers état is the people paying for the rest. http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-est-gouvernee-par-une-theocratie/ http://leblogalupus.com/2013/10/09/charles-gave-la-france-es... Yep, because as any Friedman loving economist (like Charles Gave you're linking to) will tell you, there's only one God and it's the Market. >So one of the best doctors is paid 21€ and 7.5€? No, you see, that's the thing about Social Security (you seem to know so much about), that's what the OP paid, the rest was paid to the doctor by the Social Security. This is well documented in http://www.securite-sociale.info/ http://www.securite-sociale.info/ you should take a look. >See, this is where we disagree. It is my company, my private property. I should be able to do as I please with it as long as don't mess with other's freedom, this is a constitutional right in the declaration of human rights, private property is sacred. "There is just one God, and it's private property". Where did you find "private property is sacred" anywhere in the declaration of human rights? >Are you serious? The richest man in France has left and many of the top richest famillies have left: LVMH, Lacoste, Peugeot etc. Yep and Apple, Google et al. don't pay any corporate taxes. Surely, the problem is the taxes.

patrickaljord 13y ago
> Yep, because as any Friedman loving economist (like Charles Gave you're linking to) will tell you, there's only one God and it's the Market. Oh but I love Friedman too. And what's wrong with the market? What else is the market but people freely exchanging goods and services voluntary? What is more peaceful than two people making a voluntary deal? What are we entrepreneurs doing if not that? See Friedman's famous pencil example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTRau_XgGs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTRau_XgGs > No, you see, that's the thing about Social Security (you seem to know so much about), that's what the OP paid, the rest was paid to the doctor by the Social Security. That's my point, 21€ and 7.5€ is what you see, what you don't see is the 60% income tax we all pay to get this. Not really that cheap anymore. > Where did you find "private property is sacred" anywhere in the declaration of human rights? omg, really? You haven't even read the first line of the declaration? Here you go: "dans une Déclaration solennelle, les droits naturels, inaliénables et sacrés de l’homme" Article 2: "Ces droits sont la liberté, la propriété, la sûreté et la résistance à l’oppression." Well, that was easy :) http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/histoire/dudh/1789.asp http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/histoire/dudh/1789.asp > Surely, the problem is the taxes. Good, now you get it. Finally here's another good one from the 1789 act: "Un peuple libre n'acquitte que des contributions, un peuple esclave paie des impôts »". A free people pays bills (ie from private companies), a people of slaves pays taxes. Yep, that's from our founding fathers. Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand could not have put it better. Have a nice day citoyen :)