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Couldn't it be some sort of new notification system for the driver which gives him instinctive feedback and lets him drive the engine the same way traction cont

Couldn't it be some sort of new notification system for the driver which gives him instinctive feedback and lets him drive the engine the same way traction control would?

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
Nope. Humans can't react nearly quickly enough for such a notification system to be of any use.
- Unosolo 13y ago
  Could that be a forecasting system that notifies the driver just in time for him to react about what is going to happen in a next moment?
  - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
    I suppose that it would be possible to predict what the driver should do x0ms in the future, and adjust your signal-to-driver to correct for that. The problem is that you'd need to be right almost every single time - a single slightly wrong prediction could quite easily cause a crash. Ultimately, I doubt that such a system (one which relies on the drivers' reaction to a TCS notification) would really gain very much. These drivers are already incredibly experienced, they have a team of professionals poring over their telemetry, and thus they are already using a sort of "traction control," albeit completely manually.
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jzzskijj 13y ago
F1 drivers surely have fast reactions, but could they really improve driver's reactions so much with a new kind of sound/light/tactile feedback, that a driver could replace TCS? Or be at least remarkably faster than drivers not using that notification technology. I find that quite unlikely. I am not confident that they have cheated either.
oostevo 13y ago
From my (limited) experience in (not even close to F1-level) racing, the physical sensations of the tires being near the limits of grip are fairly obvious. The reason why traction control helps so much is that a computer can adjust power accordingly vastly faster than a human ever could. The drivers are extraordinarily focused professionals during races. I can't imagine adding some signaling system that would let the driver react any faster than he already was.
- chiph 13y ago
  Not only that, but the traction control system can control wheel slip at a per-wheel basis. Something the driver can't do, with his single brake pedal.
  - lmm 13y ago
    Has anyone tried an input system that would allow that? I'm thinking some kind of split brake pedal that you can press either side of.
- jcampbell1 13y ago
  As a person that worked on a traction control system, a driver is not going to notice the difference between 5% slip and 15% slip, but 5% slip is much faster, (and faster than 0% slip) A light that went off at 1% slip would be an enormous advantage. It wouldn't be as good as a traction control system that is making 1000 changes per second, but it would be huge compared to nothing at all.
maxden 13y ago
That is also against the rules: http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/tech... "Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted."

Couldn't it be some sort of new notification system for the driver which gives him instinctive feedback and lets him drive the engine the same way traction control would?

alexeisadeski3 13y ago

Nope. Humans can't react nearly quickly enough for such a notification system to be of any use.

Unosolo 13y ago
Could that be a forecasting system that notifies the driver just in time for him to react about what is going to happen in a next moment?
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  I suppose that it would be possible to predict what the driver should do x0ms in the future, and adjust your signal-to-driver to correct for that. The problem is that you'd need to be right almost every single time - a single slightly wrong prediction could quite easily cause a crash. Ultimately, I doubt that such a system (one which relies on the drivers' reaction to a TCS notification) would really gain very much. These drivers are already incredibly experienced, they have a team of professionals poring over their telemetry, and thus they are already using a sort of "traction control," albeit completely manually.
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jzzskijj 13y ago

F1 drivers surely have fast reactions, but could they really improve driver's reactions so much with a new kind of sound/light/tactile feedback, that a driver could replace TCS? Or be at least remarkably faster than drivers not using that notification technology. I find that quite unlikely. I am not confident that they have cheated either.

oostevo 13y ago

From my (limited) experience in (not even close to F1-level) racing, the physical sensations of the tires being near the limits of grip are fairly obvious. The reason why traction control helps so much is that a computer can adjust power accordingly vastly faster than a human ever could. The drivers are extraordinarily focused professionals during races. I can't imagine adding some signaling system that would let the driver react any faster than he already was.

chiph 13y ago
Not only that, but the traction control system can control wheel slip at a per-wheel basis. Something the driver can't do, with his single brake pedal.
- lmm 13y ago
  Has anyone tried an input system that would allow that? I'm thinking some kind of split brake pedal that you can press either side of.
jcampbell1 13y ago
As a person that worked on a traction control system, a driver is not going to notice the difference between 5% slip and 15% slip, but 5% slip is much faster, (and faster than 0% slip) A light that went off at 1% slip would be an enormous advantage. It wouldn't be as good as a traction control system that is making 1000 changes per second, but it would be huge compared to nothing at all.

maxden 13y ago

That is also against the rules: http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/tech... "Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted."