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You claim to "risk downvotes". Women like Kathy Sierra risk — no, get — death and assault threats against their families. (http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/469

You claim to "risk downvotes". Women like Kathy Sierra risk — no, get — death and assault threats against their families. (http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindness-weev-and-the-cult-of-the-angry-young-man http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindnes...) "I don't have the answers..." Well, evidence is but a google away. We might discover commonsense answers, like from the founder of MenTeach: "If you started paying teachers $150,000 per year, you'd see a lot of guys going into the field". (http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage) I know many closeminded software devs who turn out bad product. Why would they turn down their cushy programming job, to be a deunionized elementary schoolteacher? And if we know that males dominate well-paying jobs like software dev... is it surprising that females get a higher proportion of lower-status jobs? The claim, "if we find successes in some areas we may be able to replicate them in others", doesn't map to the real world. When females couldn't serve jury duty, were males merely waiting for female jury-duty successes? Or did it require firm activism to force humanity to improve?

Dewie 13y ago
> "I don't have the answers..." Well, evidence is but a google away. We might discover commonsense answers, like from the founder of MenTeach: "If you started paying teachers $150,000 per year, you'd see a lot of guys going into the field". (http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage) And who knows where he got that number from, based on that article. High school teachers are payed more than elementary teachers? Fine, but is that the only difference between teaching in elementary school and high school? Of course not. > I know many closeminded software devs who turn out bad product. Why would they turn down their cushy programming job, to be a deunionized elementary schoolteacher? And if we know that males dominate well-paying jobs like software dev... is it surprising that females get a higher proportion of lower-status jobs? Whether being a software developer is higher status than being a teacher is debatable. Teachers are seen as the people that mold the up and coming generations, by some. Programmers? More like the unseen maintenance workers of a subway station: as long as everything works as expected, no one cares. Well, they might appreciate some flashy mobile app these days, though. Women don't seem to have any problems pursuing careers as doctors and lawyers, professions with both good pay and status. While the those money-hungry men seem to be falling a little behind compared to them, either falling behind academically or quitting the academic route entirely, going into a more hands-on profession (that might be lucrative, or might 'break your back' prematurely, or both).

Dewie 13y ago

> "I don't have the answers..." Well, evidence is but a google away. We might discover commonsense answers, like from the founder of MenTeach: "If you started paying teachers $150,000 per year, you'd see a lot of guys going into the field". (http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage http://www.edutopia.org/male-teacher-shortage) And who knows where he got that number from, based on that article. High school teachers are payed more than elementary teachers? Fine, but is that the only difference between teaching in elementary school and high school? Of course not. > I know many closeminded software devs who turn out bad product. Why would they turn down their cushy programming job, to be a deunionized elementary schoolteacher? And if we know that males dominate well-paying jobs like software dev... is it surprising that females get a higher proportion of lower-status jobs? Whether being a software developer is higher status than being a teacher is debatable. Teachers are seen as the people that mold the up and coming generations, by some. Programmers? More like the unseen maintenance workers of a subway station: as long as everything works as expected, no one cares. Well, they might appreciate some flashy mobile app these days, though. Women don't seem to have any problems pursuing careers as doctors and lawyers, professions with both good pay and status. While the those money-hungry men seem to be falling a little behind compared to them, either falling behind academically or quitting the academic route entirely, going into a more hands-on profession (that might be lucrative, or might 'break your back' prematurely, or both).