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Yes, there is this special method of determining future ecological catastrophes, it's called: bullshit propaganda.

by zalew 13y ago

kenrikm 13y ago
We can't forecast the weather two weeks out yet we claim to be able to do it 30 years out? Clearly the models are wrong however which direction they are wrong in is the crapshoot that gets people fighting on "global warming is fake/real" I don't know why they can't present it like hey guys it's not a good idea to screwup the environment lets work on fixing it instead of scare tactics and denial that both sides end up fighting over.
- roberto 13y ago
  Weather != climate. I can't predict a coin toss, but I can say that odds will be 50:50 on the long run. If we load the coin we still won't be able to predict individual tosses, but we might estimate that the odds changed to 40:60, eg.
- marknutter 13y ago
  Because "screw[ing] up the environment" is a pretty ambiguous expression. What does it mean, exactly, and what's the fix?
- zalew 13y ago
  > I don't know why they can't present it like hey guys it's not a good idea Because there is a huge-ass economy hidden under 'green' politics and without the drama nobody would vote for governments that impose penalties on people using old equipment. Haven't you noticed that most 'fixes' on climate rely on buying new shit (German automotive market as the easiest example) and favor developped economies over the troubled ones?
  - kalleboo 13y ago
    And that doesn't even begin to touch the amounts of cash big banks will make on carbon credit trade.
- mikeash 13y ago
  > We can't forecast the weather two weeks out yet we claim to be able to do it 30 years out? We can't forecast the position of a molecule of gas in a balloon more than a tiny fraction of a second out, but that doesn't mean you can't predict that the temperature of that gas will increase when you compress the balloon.

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Yes, there is this special method of determining future ecological catastrophes, it's called: bullshit propaganda.

by zalew 13y ago

Yes, there is this special method of determining future ecological catastrophes, it's called: bullshit propaganda.

kenrikm 13y ago
We can't forecast the weather two weeks out yet we claim to be able to do it 30 years out? Clearly the models are wrong however which direction they are wrong in is the crapshoot that gets people fighting on "global warming is fake/real" I don't know why they can't present it like hey guys it's not a good idea to screwup the environment lets work on fixing it instead of scare tactics and denial that both sides end up fighting over.
- roberto 13y ago
  Weather != climate. I can't predict a coin toss, but I can say that odds will be 50:50 on the long run. If we load the coin we still won't be able to predict individual tosses, but we might estimate that the odds changed to 40:60, eg.
- marknutter 13y ago
  Because "screw[ing] up the environment" is a pretty ambiguous expression. What does it mean, exactly, and what's the fix?
- zalew 13y ago
  > I don't know why they can't present it like hey guys it's not a good idea Because there is a huge-ass economy hidden under 'green' politics and without the drama nobody would vote for governments that impose penalties on people using old equipment. Haven't you noticed that most 'fixes' on climate rely on buying new shit (German automotive market as the easiest example) and favor developped economies over the troubled ones?
  - kalleboo 13y ago
    And that doesn't even begin to touch the amounts of cash big banks will make on carbon credit trade.
- mikeash 13y ago
  > We can't forecast the weather two weeks out yet we claim to be able to do it 30 years out? We can't forecast the position of a molecule of gas in a balloon more than a tiny fraction of a second out, but that doesn't mean you can't predict that the temperature of that gas will increase when you compress the balloon.