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Good thing we are giving the federal government control over the healthcare system ( and positioning them to take even more control as we move towards single pa

by dkhenry 13y ago

Good thing we are giving the federal government control over the healthcare system ( and positioning them to take even more control as we move towards single payer ). I am sure they won't screw it up like they have the the roll out of this small portion of the system. Also I am really looking forwards to the day I can't get my kid seen by a doctor because there was a budget fight and the government shut down.

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pyre 13y ago
Think how stupid both sides will look if actual deaths can be attributed to their political posturing over fiscal matters. E.g. "Little Jimmy died because he couldn't get essential treatment. How can you try to make that ok by saying that you were both playing chicken, but the 'other guy' should have backed down?"
k-mcgrady 13y ago
>> "Also I am really looking forwards to the day I can't get my kid seen by a doctor because there was a budget fight and the government shut down." Do you not think that doctors would be one of the essential personal not effected by a shutdown? And do you seriously believe the US would completely ban private medical care? We have the NHS (free health care for everyone) but we also still have privatised care which you can choose to pay for if you want. It's 2013 and the US still doesn't provide free health care for its citizens. Pigs will fly before they not only do that, but ban private care.
chadwickthebold 13y ago
The affordable care act mandates people get health coverage, prevents denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, provides centralized services to purchase health coverage, and expands federal programs for medicare and medicaid. Your local doctor isn't going to refuse to see you because they are still paid by an insurance company, and not the federal government.
JPKab 13y ago
Please explain to me how an exchange stood up by the government which enables you to find a private insurance company to purchase insurance from is involving the government in your use of the private insurance. The new system acts as a facilitator for people to purchase insurance on an open "exchange" market. The government has as much to do with what happens afterwards as the NYSE has to do with how my 80 shares of Exxon perform. If the stock goes down, I can surely blame the Exxon board, or an oil spill.... but it certainly has nothing to do with the NYSE. You should read about a law before you talk about it.
- dkhenry 13y ago
  So the government has a monopoly over dolling out plan s on the exchange. In addition you need to be "cleared" by their system before you can get subsidies. Also there are subsidies, so they are directly paying for parts of healthcare. I mean before this I would call my insurence company and I would work with them for insurence. Now before I get insurence I or they need to interface with 30 government agencies to get information about me so I can be approved for a plan. Then I can't even choose a plan I want since the goverment mandates levels of coverage. Please take your blinders off your enabling your party to do horrible things.
  - debian69 13y ago
    Dude here in england where the government provides health care , it works out that private care is worse in standard (more fuckups personal experience with private cancer care vs nhs cancer care) and generally the public option runs trouble free , sure there will be teething problems on the first days of it opening but in 10 years time , you'll be wondering what kind of idiotic state ever decided to make it a private only system in the first place and what self depreciating lies you've had to swallow about freedom and open markets to get into this state.
    - sally84 13y ago
      Hospital death rates are 45% higher in English hospitals than US hospitals. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/09September/Pages/death-risk-much-higher-in-English-than-US-hospitals.aspx http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/09September/Pages/death-risk-muc...
venomsnake 13y ago
I feel really strange knowing more about US healthcare than people that have to use it. The so called obamacare is mainly about access to healthcare. To the people that are left out. Also it is a Republican creation from the early 90s, when the people from the right were actually trying to devise policies rooted in reality with a chance to work. What it does is actually increase the power of the free market by forcing everyone to trade their goods out in the open transparently. There is no government control or rationing.

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pyre 13y ago

Think how stupid both sides will look if actual deaths can be attributed to their political posturing over fiscal matters. E.g. "Little Jimmy died because he couldn't get essential treatment. How can you try to make that ok by saying that you were both playing chicken, but the 'other guy' should have backed down?"

k-mcgrady 13y ago

>> "Also I am really looking forwards to the day I can't get my kid seen by a doctor because there was a budget fight and the government shut down." Do you not think that doctors would be one of the essential personal not effected by a shutdown? And do you seriously believe the US would completely ban private medical care? We have the NHS (free health care for everyone) but we also still have privatised care which you can choose to pay for if you want. It's 2013 and the US still doesn't provide free health care for its citizens. Pigs will fly before they not only do that, but ban private care.

chadwickthebold 13y ago

The affordable care act mandates people get health coverage, prevents denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, provides centralized services to purchase health coverage, and expands federal programs for medicare and medicaid. Your local doctor isn't going to refuse to see you because they are still paid by an insurance company, and not the federal government.

JPKab 13y ago

Please explain to me how an exchange stood up by the government which enables you to find a private insurance company to purchase insurance from is involving the government in your use of the private insurance. The new system acts as a facilitator for people to purchase insurance on an open "exchange" market. The government has as much to do with what happens afterwards as the NYSE has to do with how my 80 shares of Exxon perform. If the stock goes down, I can surely blame the Exxon board, or an oil spill.... but it certainly has nothing to do with the NYSE. You should read about a law before you talk about it.

dkhenry 13y ago
So the government has a monopoly over dolling out plan s on the exchange. In addition you need to be "cleared" by their system before you can get subsidies. Also there are subsidies, so they are directly paying for parts of healthcare. I mean before this I would call my insurence company and I would work with them for insurence. Now before I get insurence I or they need to interface with 30 government agencies to get information about me so I can be approved for a plan. Then I can't even choose a plan I want since the goverment mandates levels of coverage. Please take your blinders off your enabling your party to do horrible things.
- debian69 13y ago
  Dude here in england where the government provides health care , it works out that private care is worse in standard (more fuckups personal experience with private cancer care vs nhs cancer care) and generally the public option runs trouble free , sure there will be teething problems on the first days of it opening but in 10 years time , you'll be wondering what kind of idiotic state ever decided to make it a private only system in the first place and what self depreciating lies you've had to swallow about freedom and open markets to get into this state.
  - sally84 13y ago
    Hospital death rates are 45% higher in English hospitals than US hospitals. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/09September/Pages/death-risk-much-higher-in-English-than-US-hospitals.aspx http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/09September/Pages/death-risk-muc...

venomsnake 13y ago

I feel really strange knowing more about US healthcare than people that have to use it. The so called obamacare is mainly about access to healthcare. To the people that are left out. Also it is a Republican creation from the early 90s, when the people from the right were actually trying to devise policies rooted in reality with a chance to work. What it does is actually increase the power of the free market by forcing everyone to trade their goods out in the open transparently. There is no government control or rationing.