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He isn't saying that at all. I think his main point is you are talking crap (though he articulated it much better than I have). And Princeton (in undergrad) i

by Volpe 13y ago

He isn't saying that at all. I think his main point is you are talking crap (though he articulated it much better than I have). And Princeton (in undergrad) isn't "intellectually" elite, it is financially elite. I don't think you can derive anything about student "ambitiousness" just from how wealthy they are, and wealth is pretty much the only thing that separates Princeton undergrad student from a public college student. Caveat: I'm assuming the study was done on undergrads, postgrad princeton is different beast.

downandout 13y ago
He is saying that. Further, it doesn't appear that we're talking about the same Princeton. From http://abt.cm/GOXrfh http://abt.cm/GOXrfh : "Princeton University is one of the most selective colleges in the country.....Most students who got into Princeton had GPAs close to a 4.0, SAT scores (CR+M+W) above 2100, and ACT composite scores above 30......many students with a 4.0 GPA and extremely high standardized test scores get rejected from Princeton. For this reason, even strong students should consider Princeton a reach school." The results of the two studies at issue here can be swayed dramatically by the type of students participating, and each study in fact looked at two dramatically different groups of students - one matching the criteria above and one being a public college in Canada. Yet both of you have taken the position that the results of one cancels out the results of the other. You are, quite simply, wrong.
- Volpe 13y ago
  I think you need to learn more about the correlation between educational outcomes and socio-economic status (Hint: There is an extremely strong one). Also, GPAs, SATs, and ACT composites don't measure ambition. So... I'm trying to work out what your point was... 40 people isn't a 'study' it's an anecdote. What I am saying, is there is not enough information to draw a meaningful conclusion, which I believe the GP is also saying... You can say we are 'wrong' as much as possible, but that's just rhetoric.

by Volpe 13y ago

downandout 13y ago

He is saying that. Further, it doesn't appear that we're talking about the same Princeton. From http://abt.cm/GOXrfh http://abt.cm/GOXrfh : "Princeton University is one of the most selective colleges in the country.....Most students who got into Princeton had GPAs close to a 4.0, SAT scores (CR+M+W) above 2100, and ACT composite scores above 30......many students with a 4.0 GPA and extremely high standardized test scores get rejected from Princeton. For this reason, even strong students should consider Princeton a reach school." The results of the two studies at issue here can be swayed dramatically by the type of students participating, and each study in fact looked at two dramatically different groups of students - one matching the criteria above and one being a public college in Canada. Yet both of you have taken the position that the results of one cancels out the results of the other. You are, quite simply, wrong.

Volpe 13y ago
I think you need to learn more about the correlation between educational outcomes and socio-economic status (Hint: There is an extremely strong one). Also, GPAs, SATs, and ACT composites don't measure ambition. So... I'm trying to work out what your point was... 40 people isn't a 'study' it's an anecdote. What I am saying, is there is not enough information to draw a meaningful conclusion, which I believe the GP is also saying... You can say we are 'wrong' as much as possible, but that's just rhetoric.