6 ms·

I hope I get no down votes from the following comment. This is not true, C# can be thought as superior to Java, only if you intend to be completely immersed in

I hope I get no down votes from the following comment. This is not true, C# can be thought as superior to Java, only if you intend to be completely immersed in the Microsoft stack and this assertion is still debatable. I personally like Java more than C# just because Java is truly platform independent and fully open source. When you have two similar software products the one which is open source will always be a better choice. I think Java has a bright future.

LukeShu 13y ago
To be fair, Mono exists, and contains a free implementation of C#.
- KevinEldon 13y ago
  I have done less than 10 hours of .NET programming in my life so I have no idea here... but my impression is that MONO substantially less accepted than a standard Java port... not trying to bash, just explaining my view. I'm moving a significant production Java app from a Linux box to Windows in the next 3 months. My expected work is about 2-days, and frankly my management wouldn't expect more, and I'd have a hard time justifying more (it's probably padded already... don't tell). The portability of Java apps is wonderful. I'd guess MONO could do the same thing, Windows to Linux, but just explaining the run-time to my management or Change Management would require testing, which is cost, which is probably waste, but is also necessary... a Oracle JVM on Linux or Windows, doesn't require the same due diligence.
  - stormbrew 13y ago
    Unity is probably the biggest commercial use of Mono: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine)
    - CmonDev 13y ago
      Xamarin is more likely.
  - 300bps 13y ago
    I have done less than 10 hours of .NET programming in my life so I have no idea here... but Then don't comment. Your comment is comparing something you know to something you have no idea about. How can anyone legitimately make such a comparison?
    - peeters 13y ago
      I can tell you I've done 10 minutes of C# programming in my life, while addressing a StackOverflow comment, and in that 10 minutes I found something that worked on Microsoft's .NET runtime but not on Mono. You don't need experience to find evidence.
- camus 13y ago
  MSFT could shut down Mono anytime it wants.How many business use mono (to build web apps) in production? Scala,Groovy,Xtend,etc... there is enough languages on the jvm one doesnt have to use any MS related tech.
  - joshrivers 13y ago
    Source citation please?
    - tomaszkubacki 13y ago
      http://www.mono-project.com/MonoConcerns http://www.mono-project.com/MonoConcerns
  - EpicEng 13y ago
    How so? C# is a standardized language.
    - pjmlp 13y ago
      Only partially. Microsoft has stopped submitting language updates to ECMA.
  - cmircea 13y ago
    On what grounds?
- zmmmmm 13y ago
  True, but you can't spruik that and then tell us in the next breath about the wonderful developer tools and Intellisense, etc., because most of that doesn't exist outside Windows. With Java it's not just the JVM that is cross platform - the whole developer ecosystem and culture is from the ground up. Every IDE, every compiler, every tool, all runs on every platform. It has it's holes, but largely Java actually achieves this, which when you need it, is a huge win.
  - riffraff 13y ago
    OT:, pardon this non-native, what does "spruik" mean? I can only find this[0] but it seems an intransitive verb compared to what you used [0] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spruik http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spruik
    - zmmmmm 13y ago
      Heh, I didn't even realise it was Australian slang. The meaning from your link is correct - to sell, extoll the virtues of or try to convince other people to buy something.
      - Tloewald 13y ago
        English. spruikers are the guys at open air markets screaming out the virtues of their wares.
  - darklajid 13y ago
    MonoDevelop is far from bad, actually. And cross-platform.
  - balakk 13y ago
    Xamarin is wonderful. There's a huge .NET OSS ecosystem out there. You might be surprised with what can be done with it. http://xamarin.com http://xamarin.com
    - boothead 13y ago
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Of the language, not the libraries or tooling. A language is much more than just syntax. With mono, one ends up writing C# code similar to C and C++, with #ifdefs, or having to search for .NET libraries that are cross platform.
  - cmircea 13y ago
    Those cases are inherently platform specific and are impossible to abstract completely. UI for example. Pure Java UIs plain suck; you can use Gtk# in C# for the same thing, but none will be up to the platform's UI standards. Besides, the JVM isn't available on iOS and Android, so it isn't universally available either.
    - LukeShu 13y ago
      Java is actually used heavily on Android.
      - CmonDev 13y ago
        On Dalvik not JVM.
- goldeneye 13y ago
  Infrastructure of Mono is not in any way comparable to proper c#. Also how come MonoDevelop's latest version doesn't work on Linux? On Windows it became Xamarian and it is ok ish, but I would not use it for a major project, refactoring tools are more or less non existant. On Linux they are stuck with the old version of MonoDevelop
  - snarfy 13y ago
    What do you mean it doesn't work on linux? It works fine. It helps to use the distro (opensuse) the mono developers use.

LukeShu 13y ago

To be fair, Mono exists, and contains a free implementation of C#.

KevinEldon 13y ago
I have done less than 10 hours of .NET programming in my life so I have no idea here... but my impression is that MONO substantially less accepted than a standard Java port... not trying to bash, just explaining my view. I'm moving a significant production Java app from a Linux box to Windows in the next 3 months. My expected work is about 2-days, and frankly my management wouldn't expect more, and I'd have a hard time justifying more (it's probably padded already... don't tell). The portability of Java apps is wonderful. I'd guess MONO could do the same thing, Windows to Linux, but just explaining the run-time to my management or Change Management would require testing, which is cost, which is probably waste, but is also necessary... a Oracle JVM on Linux or Windows, doesn't require the same due diligence.
- stormbrew 13y ago
  Unity is probably the biggest commercial use of Mono: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine)
  - CmonDev 13y ago
    Xamarin is more likely.
- 300bps 13y ago
  I have done less than 10 hours of .NET programming in my life so I have no idea here... but Then don't comment. Your comment is comparing something you know to something you have no idea about. How can anyone legitimately make such a comparison?
  - peeters 13y ago
    I can tell you I've done 10 minutes of C# programming in my life, while addressing a StackOverflow comment, and in that 10 minutes I found something that worked on Microsoft's .NET runtime but not on Mono. You don't need experience to find evidence.
camus 13y ago
MSFT could shut down Mono anytime it wants.How many business use mono (to build web apps) in production? Scala,Groovy,Xtend,etc... there is enough languages on the jvm one doesnt have to use any MS related tech.
- joshrivers 13y ago
  Source citation please?
  - tomaszkubacki 13y ago
    http://www.mono-project.com/MonoConcerns http://www.mono-project.com/MonoConcerns
- EpicEng 13y ago
  How so? C# is a standardized language.
  - pjmlp 13y ago
    Only partially. Microsoft has stopped submitting language updates to ECMA.
- cmircea 13y ago
  On what grounds?
zmmmmm 13y ago
True, but you can't spruik that and then tell us in the next breath about the wonderful developer tools and Intellisense, etc., because most of that doesn't exist outside Windows. With Java it's not just the JVM that is cross platform - the whole developer ecosystem and culture is from the ground up. Every IDE, every compiler, every tool, all runs on every platform. It has it's holes, but largely Java actually achieves this, which when you need it, is a huge win.
- riffraff 13y ago
  OT:, pardon this non-native, what does "spruik" mean? I can only find this[0] but it seems an intransitive verb compared to what you used [0] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spruik http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spruik
  - zmmmmm 13y ago
    Heh, I didn't even realise it was Australian slang. The meaning from your link is correct - to sell, extoll the virtues of or try to convince other people to buy something.
    - Tloewald 13y ago
      English. spruikers are the guys at open air markets screaming out the virtues of their wares.
- darklajid 13y ago
  MonoDevelop is far from bad, actually. And cross-platform.
- balakk 13y ago
  Xamarin is wonderful. There's a huge .NET OSS ecosystem out there. You might be surprised with what can be done with it. http://xamarin.com http://xamarin.com
  - boothead 13y ago
pjmlp 13y ago
Of the language, not the libraries or tooling. A language is much more than just syntax. With mono, one ends up writing C# code similar to C and C++, with #ifdefs, or having to search for .NET libraries that are cross platform.
- cmircea 13y ago
  Those cases are inherently platform specific and are impossible to abstract completely. UI for example. Pure Java UIs plain suck; you can use Gtk# in C# for the same thing, but none will be up to the platform's UI standards. Besides, the JVM isn't available on iOS and Android, so it isn't universally available either.
  - LukeShu 13y ago
    Java is actually used heavily on Android.
    - CmonDev 13y ago
      On Dalvik not JVM.
goldeneye 13y ago
Infrastructure of Mono is not in any way comparable to proper c#. Also how come MonoDevelop's latest version doesn't work on Linux? On Windows it became Xamarian and it is ok ish, but I would not use it for a major project, refactoring tools are more or less non existant. On Linux they are stuck with the old version of MonoDevelop
- snarfy 13y ago
  What do you mean it doesn't work on linux? It works fine. It helps to use the distro (opensuse) the mono developers use.