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One thought after reading this: Troll filtering is a big, wide open market.

by iamelgringo 17y ago

DTrejo 17y ago
And there are plenty of places to train your algorithm
- randallsquared 17y ago
  ...but lots of disagreement as to exactly which ones are the trolls.
swombat 17y ago
http://www.socialmod.com/ http://www.socialmod.com/
- misuba 17y ago
  They're solving a different problem. There's a whole class of trolling that's impossible to identify out of context.
anigbrowl 17y ago
I've been thinking about this for a while. What it needs is shareable trust networks, so you can see ratings weighted by the votes of those who you particularly approve of or despise. Attempts at objective moderation just end up creating echo chambers and/or popularity contests. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too small to contain...but I am making notes to write it up in some useful form.
- dejb 17y ago
  > I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too small to contain This isn't going to be like Fermat's theorem all over again is it? Seriously though I agree that you need a system that copes with the fact that different people have different tastes. Not a generic 'good' vs 'bad/spam'.
- tome 17y ago
  Yes, I've wondered about something like that for a while, myself: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=467574 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=467574
- whughes 17y ago
  Then you'll run the risk of creating echo subchambers in a community, where people who share similar opinions form trust groups and block competing opinions out. Even if you rely on outside connections (friends and such), you'll still be more likely to network with people you agree with.
AndrewO 17y ago
Reading it, I couldn't help but think: I wonder what happened to Utu[1]. The site, http://savingtheinternetwithhate.com/ http://savingtheinternetwithhate.com/ appears to be dead. Kinda sad. (BTW, this is not meant to be flamebait either way about Zed Shaw. I thought it was an interesting project and it came to mind reading this.) [1](http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html)
gojomo 17y ago
This is one reason Facebook is so valuable. It's designed from the start to have a strong 1:1 linking with real names, and shows all of your public actions to your real-life peer group. It's approaching internet scale. It could lock up this market -- at least among forums wanting real-name participation.

One thought after reading this: Troll filtering is a big, wide open market.

DTrejo 17y ago

And there are plenty of places to train your algorithm

randallsquared 17y ago
...but lots of disagreement as to exactly which ones are the trolls.

swombat 17y ago

http://www.socialmod.com/ http://www.socialmod.com/

misuba 17y ago
They're solving a different problem. There's a whole class of trolling that's impossible to identify out of context.

anigbrowl 17y ago

I've been thinking about this for a while. What it needs is shareable trust networks, so you can see ratings weighted by the votes of those who you particularly approve of or despise. Attempts at objective moderation just end up creating echo chambers and/or popularity contests. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too small to contain...but I am making notes to write it up in some useful form.

dejb 17y ago
> I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too small to contain This isn't going to be like Fermat's theorem all over again is it? Seriously though I agree that you need a system that copes with the fact that different people have different tastes. Not a generic 'good' vs 'bad/spam'.
tome 17y ago
Yes, I've wondered about something like that for a while, myself: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=467574 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=467574
whughes 17y ago
Then you'll run the risk of creating echo subchambers in a community, where people who share similar opinions form trust groups and block competing opinions out. Even if you rely on outside connections (friends and such), you'll still be more likely to network with people you agree with.

AndrewO 17y ago

Reading it, I couldn't help but think: I wonder what happened to Utu[1]. The site, http://savingtheinternetwithhate.com/ http://savingtheinternetwithhate.com/ appears to be dead. Kinda sad. (BTW, this is not meant to be flamebait either way about Zed Shaw. I thought it was an interesting project and it came to mind reading this.) [1](http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html)

gojomo 17y ago

This is one reason Facebook is so valuable. It's designed from the start to have a strong 1:1 linking with real names, and shows all of your public actions to your real-life peer group. It's approaching internet scale. It could lock up this market -- at least among forums wanting real-name participation.