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Considering that one of the most popular operating systems among developers has an 8 year old version of make, I wonder how many people will start using new fea

Considering that one of the most popular operating systems among developers has an 8 year old version of make, I wonder how many people will start using new features.

k-mcgrady 13y ago
What OS are you referring to?
- yuvadam 13y ago
  OS X
  - mxey 13y ago
    gmake 4.0 is GPLv3, it will never be added to OS X.
    - aurelius 13y ago
      And I, for one, am glad.
      - Touche 13y ago
        Why? You like running old software?
        tedunangst 13y ago
        Is there something broken with make 3.81?
        treerex 13y ago
        What's wrong with old software. If it works, why change? Just because something is "new" and "cool"? C'mon.
    - alextingle 13y ago
      Ah, I was wondering why the major version number had changed.
    - adestefan 13y ago
      3.82 was also GPLv3.
      - nonchalance 13y ago
        OSX ships with 3.81: $ make --version GNU Make 3.81 Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. This program built for i386-apple-darwin11.3.0 (which predates GPLv3)
        adestefan 13y ago
        Yes. I was pointing out that GPLv3 is not unique to make 4.0. In fact, 3.91 will never be default on OS X because it too is GPLv3.
- jeremiep 13y ago
  That would be OS X. The make that comes with XCode is rather old, although its easy to update it using homebrew.
  - deleted 13y ago
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- pilif 13y ago
  Both Ubuntu 12.04 and Mac OS X 10.9 ship with make 3.81 which was released in 2006
emillon 13y ago
There are very few releases of GNU make: 3.81 (in Debian too) is from 2006, 3.82 from 2010 and 4.0 from 2013.
- pdw 13y ago
  What's annoying about GNU make is that the language has a lot of dark corners and the maintainers are pretty willing to break things. Half of the 3.82 release announcement was discussion of backward-incompatible changes (and that are of course only the incompatibilities known at release time). Now you could say that 99% of projects won't be affected by this, but in a large distribution that is still a lot of breakage.
davexunit 13y ago
Considering that this OS is hostile to free software, it's not the target audience of GNU make. Plenty of people of free operating systems will start using these new features.
pavanky 13y ago
> Considering that one of the most popular operating systems among developers That is a pretty presumptuous thing to say.
adestefan 13y ago
Because GNU Make 3.81 was the last version released under GPLv2.

Considering that one of the most popular operating systems among developers has an 8 year old version of make, I wonder how many people will start using new features.

k-mcgrady 13y ago

What OS are you referring to?

yuvadam 13y ago
OS X
- mxey 13y ago
  gmake 4.0 is GPLv3, it will never be added to OS X.
  - aurelius 13y ago
    And I, for one, am glad.
    - Touche 13y ago
      Why? You like running old software?
      - tedunangst 13y ago
        Is there something broken with make 3.81?
      - treerex 13y ago
        What's wrong with old software. If it works, why change? Just because something is "new" and "cool"? C'mon.
  - alextingle 13y ago
    Ah, I was wondering why the major version number had changed.
  - adestefan 13y ago
    3.82 was also GPLv3.
    - nonchalance 13y ago
      OSX ships with 3.81: $ make --version GNU Make 3.81 Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. This program built for i386-apple-darwin11.3.0 (which predates GPLv3)
      - adestefan 13y ago
        Yes. I was pointing out that GPLv3 is not unique to make 4.0. In fact, 3.91 will never be default on OS X because it too is GPLv3.
jeremiep 13y ago
That would be OS X. The make that comes with XCode is rather old, although its easy to update it using homebrew.
- deleted 13y ago
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pilif 13y ago
Both Ubuntu 12.04 and Mac OS X 10.9 ship with make 3.81 which was released in 2006

emillon 13y ago

There are very few releases of GNU make: 3.81 (in Debian too) is from 2006, 3.82 from 2010 and 4.0 from 2013.

pdw 13y ago
What's annoying about GNU make is that the language has a lot of dark corners and the maintainers are pretty willing to break things. Half of the 3.82 release announcement was discussion of backward-incompatible changes (and that are of course only the incompatibilities known at release time). Now you could say that 99% of projects won't be affected by this, but in a large distribution that is still a lot of breakage.

davexunit 13y ago

Considering that this OS is hostile to free software, it's not the target audience of GNU make. Plenty of people of free operating systems will start using these new features.

pavanky 13y ago

> Considering that one of the most popular operating systems among developers That is a pretty presumptuous thing to say.

adestefan 13y ago

Because GNU Make 3.81 was the last version released under GPLv2.