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Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening t

by alrs 13y ago

Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening to iOS. edit: Note that I said "marketshare." I'm not wishing bankruptcy on Apple and Microsoft. It would be a weird desire.

stinos 13y ago
Why exactly do you hope those two go broke in favour of Google? Or is that not the intent of your writing?
harigov 13y ago
why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?
- mapleoin 13y ago
  Freedom.
  - Robby2012 13y ago
    Do you really think you're going to get freedom from Google?
  - ff10 13y ago
    The freedom to not choose between a multitude of operating systems?
  - S4M 13y ago
    Dude, I'd fear much more Google controlling the OS market than Apple or Microsoft, even though I am not found of them, far from it.
  - untog 13y ago
    And Chrome OS represents freedom now?
  - sz4kerto 13y ago
    The fact that people have this perception makes me sad.
    - mamcx 13y ago
      Is more dangerous the perception of freedom than the understanding of limits. The best dictators spread the freedom mantra and the more gullible believe it.
  - seiji 13y ago
    Reminder: by living The Google Lifestyle of Google Docs, Google Mail, Google Search History, Google Bookmarks, Google Social Network, Google Driving History, Google Location Tracking, Google Thought Interface, you allow all that to be nicely indexed for quick handoff to third parties (improperly motivated employees, NSLs, etc) without your consent. I'm pretty sure if you say "google" and "freedom" in front of RMS you'll get your head chopped off.
  - garg 13y ago
    Freedom from choice?
  - camus 13y ago
    Yeah , freedom to get "locked in the trunk" some might say.
- alrs 13y ago
  Google isn't a shining beacon of hope, but I do delight in seeing hurt put on closed ecosystems. The Apple app store is a flat-out threat to human freedom. I do not want to live in a world where the only software available is the software approved by Apple and the governments that have jurisdiction over it. edit: Note that I take no warmth in it being Google. Yes, they are closed. The good news is that HP just offered up "Not Intel" and "Not Microsoft" preloaded in a laptop form factor. The hardware companies are retreating to neutral corners and leaving the OS vendors to duke it out on their own. This is good for free software and good for the web.
  - zobzu 13y ago
    ChromeOS is pretty much closed. You don't have a say on what goes in, you don't have a say on what they're going to do with it, you don't have a say if they want to fully close most of it. In fact, you can only see the parts they let you see (in ChromiumOS), and that is the only difference with Apple or Microsoft (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel)
    - Touche 13y ago
      This is not true, there isn't much in ChromeOS that's not in ChromiumOS. You can file bugs on crbug.com and they are positive of most requests. And of course you can fork at any time; Chromium is developed in the open.
    - ris 13y ago
      > You don't have a say on what goes in Generally, you remove a washer and you get developer mode. From that point you can change anything. > (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel) When was the last time someone managed to build a binary identical kernel to Apple's from the supplied sources?
  - jkscm 13y ago
    Which one of Google's services is not a closed system?
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
allsystemsgo 13y ago
I don't think that will be happening anytime soon. Why do you feel this way?
seiji 13y ago
iOS gives you direct hardware access to the device so you can do photo editing, video editing, music production, high resolution high frame rate gaming, and dozens of other device-local tasks. How does a series of glorified web browser Googlebooks compete with that?
- cdash 13y ago
  Native Client
  - seiji 13y ago
    Pickle Boots. (I can say two words one after another too.) Does a technology exist if nobody writes anything for it?
    - pkulak 13y ago
      No one has written the next Photoshop yet, but the apps that need NaCl are using it. The SSH client, for example, which works great and actually lets me get a lot of work done from my Chromebook without even turning on developer mode.
- bryanlarsen 13y ago
  You can do all of that on Android (assuming they've fixed the audio latency issues on 4.3 as they promised). Unification of the two OS's keeps getting rumoured, but never happens.
Osmium 13y ago
If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold. Even if that's not what you want, choice is still a good thing: without choice, we have vendor lock-in and stagnation of ideas. To pick an example, I think the mobile ecosystem would be a lot better right now were WebOS still a viable alternative. Instead HP left it to rot. How much progress did we lose there?
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold. For branded Android/ChromeOS, AFAIK, you are paying Google for it the same way you pay for prebundled Windows. Insofar as the OS cost is discounted because you are an advertising target for Google, that's not that different from Windows PCs where the OS cost is offset because you are crapware target for third-party business partners of the system vendor. And advertising revenue, isn't, I think, the only motivation for the low cost of consumer ChromeOS; low-cost consumer ChromeOS is the lever for building acceptance, knowledge base, and build a base of apps to motivate institutional sales of ChromeOS (sort of the way that getting Apple computers into schools was always a way to build commercial consumer and business markets for them.)
- 3825 13y ago
  >I want to be the customer, not the product being sold Sorry but this is not either or anymore. They will take your money and you will still be a product being sold. Just because you paid money doesn't mean they won't try to squeeze an extra penny off of your information if they can get away with it.
  - terminus 13y ago
    Witness: iAds.
    - 13y ago
malkia 13y ago
I hope it doesn't happen to me, buying every gadget I see :)
cicero 13y ago
I prefer that there be competition between a variety choices for OS and platforms. I don't wish for any of them to go away.
- andybak 13y ago
  Yep. I'm hoping for a plausible 3rd player in mobile. I'd prefer it to be Mozilla but even MS would be better than a duopoly.
mark-r 13y ago
A company that loses marketshare quickly is likely to declare bankruptcy - the two are not uncorrelated. Be careful what you wish for.
bdcravens 13y ago
I think Apple could continue to lose a pretty good amount of iOS share still and remain profitable, as the margin on their products is pretty crazy. Windows, on the other hand, is hugely important to Microsoft's bottom line.
ScrumMistress 13y ago
If this was desktop Linux, I would agree, but Chromebooks are even more locked down and more painful to install other OSes than even Win8 PCs with Secure Boot. Having to type Ctrl-L on every boot sucks. The default OS ties everything to Google's cloud including even the login. There can be no native apps that modify the system except for Google's own. Can there be a Firefox for ChromeOS that runs on a non-dev mode ChromeOS like there is for OS X or Windows? Not sure what there is to cheer about people replacing their Macs and PCs with a dumb terminal to Google's cloud. As usual, RMS says it the best: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/stallman_on_chrome_os/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/stallman_on_chrome_o... >"In essence, Chrome OS is the GNU/Linux operating system. However, it is delivered without the usual applications, and rigged up to impede and discourage installing applications," he told The Guardian. "I'd say the problem is in the nature of the job ChromeOS is designed to do. Namely, encourage you to keep your data elsewhere, and do your computing elsewhere, instead of doing it in your own computer."
pkulak 13y ago
MacOS is pretty darn good. I'd like to see them own the high end, and devices like this own the low end, squeezing Windows out of my life entirely. For "low end", this is a pretty darn good machine. And it would mean that everything is a Unix.
lispm 13y ago
Weird, I would hope that for a company which requires me to leave my data on NSA servers.

by alrs 13y ago

stinos 13y ago

Why exactly do you hope those two go broke in favour of Google? Or is that not the intent of your writing?

harigov 13y ago

why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?

mapleoin 13y ago
Freedom.
- Robby2012 13y ago
  Do you really think you're going to get freedom from Google?
- ff10 13y ago
  The freedom to not choose between a multitude of operating systems?
- S4M 13y ago
  Dude, I'd fear much more Google controlling the OS market than Apple or Microsoft, even though I am not found of them, far from it.
- untog 13y ago
  And Chrome OS represents freedom now?
- sz4kerto 13y ago
  The fact that people have this perception makes me sad.
  - mamcx 13y ago
    Is more dangerous the perception of freedom than the understanding of limits. The best dictators spread the freedom mantra and the more gullible believe it.
- seiji 13y ago
  Reminder: by living The Google Lifestyle of Google Docs, Google Mail, Google Search History, Google Bookmarks, Google Social Network, Google Driving History, Google Location Tracking, Google Thought Interface, you allow all that to be nicely indexed for quick handoff to third parties (improperly motivated employees, NSLs, etc) without your consent. I'm pretty sure if you say "google" and "freedom" in front of RMS you'll get your head chopped off.
- garg 13y ago
  Freedom from choice?
- camus 13y ago
  Yeah , freedom to get "locked in the trunk" some might say.
alrs 13y ago
Google isn't a shining beacon of hope, but I do delight in seeing hurt put on closed ecosystems. The Apple app store is a flat-out threat to human freedom. I do not want to live in a world where the only software available is the software approved by Apple and the governments that have jurisdiction over it. edit: Note that I take no warmth in it being Google. Yes, they are closed. The good news is that HP just offered up "Not Intel" and "Not Microsoft" preloaded in a laptop form factor. The hardware companies are retreating to neutral corners and leaving the OS vendors to duke it out on their own. This is good for free software and good for the web.
- zobzu 13y ago
  ChromeOS is pretty much closed. You don't have a say on what goes in, you don't have a say on what they're going to do with it, you don't have a say if they want to fully close most of it. In fact, you can only see the parts they let you see (in ChromiumOS), and that is the only difference with Apple or Microsoft (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel)
  - Touche 13y ago
    This is not true, there isn't much in ChromeOS that's not in ChromiumOS. You can file bugs on crbug.com and they are positive of most requests. And of course you can fork at any time; Chromium is developed in the open.
  - ris 13y ago
    > You don't have a say on what goes in Generally, you remove a washer and you get developer mode. From that point you can change anything. > (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel) When was the last time someone managed to build a binary identical kernel to Apple's from the supplied sources?
- jkscm 13y ago
  Which one of Google's services is not a closed system?
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]

allsystemsgo 13y ago

I don't think that will be happening anytime soon. Why do you feel this way?

seiji 13y ago

iOS gives you direct hardware access to the device so you can do photo editing, video editing, music production, high resolution high frame rate gaming, and dozens of other device-local tasks. How does a series of glorified web browser Googlebooks compete with that?

cdash 13y ago
Native Client
- seiji 13y ago
  Pickle Boots. (I can say two words one after another too.) Does a technology exist if nobody writes anything for it?
  - pkulak 13y ago
    No one has written the next Photoshop yet, but the apps that need NaCl are using it. The SSH client, for example, which works great and actually lets me get a lot of work done from my Chromebook without even turning on developer mode.
bryanlarsen 13y ago
You can do all of that on Android (assuming they've fixed the audio latency issues on 4.3 as they promised). Unification of the two OS's keeps getting rumoured, but never happens.

Osmium 13y ago

If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold. Even if that's not what you want, choice is still a good thing: without choice, we have vendor lock-in and stagnation of ideas. To pick an example, I think the mobile ecosystem would be a lot better right now were WebOS still a viable alternative. Instead HP left it to rot. How much progress did we lose there?

dragonwriter 13y ago
> If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold. For branded Android/ChromeOS, AFAIK, you are paying Google for it the same way you pay for prebundled Windows. Insofar as the OS cost is discounted because you are an advertising target for Google, that's not that different from Windows PCs where the OS cost is offset because you are crapware target for third-party business partners of the system vendor. And advertising revenue, isn't, I think, the only motivation for the low cost of consumer ChromeOS; low-cost consumer ChromeOS is the lever for building acceptance, knowledge base, and build a base of apps to motivate institutional sales of ChromeOS (sort of the way that getting Apple computers into schools was always a way to build commercial consumer and business markets for them.)
3825 13y ago
>I want to be the customer, not the product being sold Sorry but this is not either or anymore. They will take your money and you will still be a product being sold. Just because you paid money doesn't mean they won't try to squeeze an extra penny off of your information if they can get away with it.
- terminus 13y ago
  Witness: iAds.
  - 13y ago

malkia 13y ago

I hope it doesn't happen to me, buying every gadget I see :)

cicero 13y ago

I prefer that there be competition between a variety choices for OS and platforms. I don't wish for any of them to go away.

andybak 13y ago
Yep. I'm hoping for a plausible 3rd player in mobile. I'd prefer it to be Mozilla but even MS would be better than a duopoly.

mark-r 13y ago

A company that loses marketshare quickly is likely to declare bankruptcy - the two are not uncorrelated. Be careful what you wish for.

bdcravens 13y ago

I think Apple could continue to lose a pretty good amount of iOS share still and remain profitable, as the margin on their products is pretty crazy. Windows, on the other hand, is hugely important to Microsoft's bottom line.

ScrumMistress 13y ago

If this was desktop Linux, I would agree, but Chromebooks are even more locked down and more painful to install other OSes than even Win8 PCs with Secure Boot. Having to type Ctrl-L on every boot sucks. The default OS ties everything to Google's cloud including even the login. There can be no native apps that modify the system except for Google's own. Can there be a Firefox for ChromeOS that runs on a non-dev mode ChromeOS like there is for OS X or Windows? Not sure what there is to cheer about people replacing their Macs and PCs with a dumb terminal to Google's cloud. As usual, RMS says it the best: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/stallman_on_chrome_os/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/stallman_on_chrome_o... >"In essence, Chrome OS is the GNU/Linux operating system. However, it is delivered without the usual applications, and rigged up to impede and discourage installing applications," he told The Guardian. "I'd say the problem is in the nature of the job ChromeOS is designed to do. Namely, encourage you to keep your data elsewhere, and do your computing elsewhere, instead of doing it in your own computer."

pkulak 13y ago

MacOS is pretty darn good. I'd like to see them own the high end, and devices like this own the low end, squeezing Windows out of my life entirely. For "low end", this is a pretty darn good machine. And it would mean that everything is a Unix.

lispm 13y ago

Weird, I would hope that for a company which requires me to leave my data on NSA servers.