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So I've worked with a couple Indian outsourcing firms. The best we ever managed was to break even in terms of quality product per dollar. I visited there a co
by kemiller 13y ago
So I've worked with a couple Indian outsourcing firms. The best we ever managed was to break even in terms of quality product per dollar. I visited there a couple times, and I can completely corroborate the poor working conditions. Grinding pollution, horrible traffic, crushing heat, often without any AC, frequent power outages, substandard equipment. The trouble is, regardless of the reason, the net quality tends to suffer. There are a few other factors that we would never have predicted:
* Working at a small firm is very low prestige, unlike here. You want to have a big name you can tell to your prospective father-in-law. There are of course big, reputable outsourcing firms there, but they tend to either be hiring mills with low quality, or expensive enough to negate any labor arbitrage advantages.
* The very best and the brightest (and there are MANY MANY of those) tend to go in-house at Google, etc. rather than do the outsourcing-for-hire shops. Or, frankly, they've moved here.
* As with any consulting, their interests and yours are not always in alignment.
* In western nations, there are many routes to success and prestige. Business, professions, even the arts. In India, for the time being, there is generally only one that matters, if you're not already upper class: technology. So that means everyone tries to do it whether they're well-suited or not. So there is a HUGE pool of labor, throngs of people show up in person for certain job openings, but a large percentage of them literally cannot do fizzbuzz, yet lots of those will get some kind of job or other.
* It is often really difficult to get a "no" or any kind of bad news in time to compensate for it.
I'm just scratching the surface. It's a huge, complicated, amazing country, and the potential remains enormous, but there are a TON of very real cultural problems facing a western firm looking to partner with an Indian firm.
EDIT: This was the in the context of a smallish startup. A bigger firm looking to make a permanent presence will have more resources and more leverage to compensate for some of this, and will also, if they have an international brand, attract much more capable people.
- bjoe_lewis 13y ago> Working at a small firm is very low prestige, unlike here. You want to have a big name you can tell to your prospective father-in-law. There are of course big, reputable outsourcing firms there, but they tend to either be hiring mills with low quality, or expensive enough to negate any labor arbitrage advantages. +1 for putting it out.
- EpicEng 13y ago* It is often really difficult to get a "no" or any kind of bad news in time to compensate for it. This is one of the larger problems I have encountered. It's a cultural issue. They (Indians) view "no" or "we have to lengthen the schedule" as verboten. So, you will always get a "yes"... and, often times, crappy software.
- jmagoon 13y agoThis was my experience when traveling in India: "Is this train XXXX going to XXXX?" "Yes." Four hours later--no, definitely not the right train.
- crucialfelix 13y agoThis is a well known cultural quirk. Never ask a yes no question. The answer will always be yes. Yes is more polite. If the answer is unknown then yes is always the correct answer.
- kamaal 13y ago>>Working at a small firm is very low prestige Just wanted to point out, this trend is changing pretty rapidly. In fact there is a growing theme of equating big corporations with government bureaucracies. The perception is like imagining a mega corp as a large inefficient bureaucracy, full of inefficient politics, hardly valuable work done, growth and progress a metric of your political ability to fight battles with the company.
- kemiller 13y agoThat's good to know.