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Do you think a fellow NATO member state would cooperate with the United States when they knew one of their most wanted fugitives was there? Don't you think it w

by aestra 13y ago

Do you think a fellow NATO member state would cooperate with the United States when they knew one of their most wanted fugitives was there? Don't you think it would be in their best interest to cooperate? Why would they create a rift in the biggest military alliance in the world? Don't give me silly articles. I am an American who has lived in Croatia and I'm pretty familiar with how the average Croatian views the United States, and I am pretty confident in my experience that they would have no problem handing him over even without a formal treaty. There is literally no reason to not do it.

300bps 13y ago
Russia has been a member of the Russia-NATO Council since 2002 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO%E2%80%93Russia_relations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO%E2%80%93Russia_relations). You don't see them extraditing Snowden, do you? Regardless, despite your lack of tact you claim to know more about Croatia than I do and you dismiss web citations that claim to know more than you so it's pointless to discuss further.
- aestra 13y ago
  You didn't even read your "web citations" which are actually someone found this Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extraditi...) and put some countries not on it in article form. If you did, you would find the last one points to this PDF on the US Dept of State Website: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf which is CHAPTER 209--EXTRADITION of CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. That lists Yugoslavia which isn't even a country anymore, but has a note \1\ For the successor States of Yugoslavia, inquire of the Treaty Office of the United States Department of State. Croatia is a successor States of Yugoslavia, however, I originally ignored that because I thought I'd have to contact the State Department. Then I decided to see if that info is published. Alright, Lets check out the Treaty Office of the United States Department of State. Here's the Treaties in Force list. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202293.pdf http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202293.pdf Under Croatia it lists JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE CROATIA — INVESTMENT Agreement on enhancing cooperation in preventing and combating serious crime. Signed at Washington February 16, 2011. Entered into force August 19, 2011. TIAS That's pretty vague, but there is some agreement there.
  - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
    You spent a lot of time to simply say, "The US doesn't have an extradition treaty with Croatia."
Keyframe 13y ago
As a Croatian, living in Croatia, I can re-affirm your position. He would get extradited with a complimentary cake for CIA in no time at all. Our ties with US are deeper than the ones with EU, and we are a EU member. Hell, even our chief intelligence officer has dual citizenship (US and Croatian).
- aestra 13y ago
  Not to mention it isn't like the US and Croatia haven't worked together at least once in apprehending a criminal living in Croatia wanted by the United States. http://daily.tportal.hr/211771/Ukrainian-hacker-wanted-in-USA-nabbed-in-Croatia.html http://daily.tportal.hr/211771/Ukrainian-hacker-wanted-in-US... http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2012-08-31/29337/Ukrainian_hacker_wanted_in_the_US_arrested_in_Croatia http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2012-08-31/29... American and Croatian police have worked together to arrest Ukrainian hacker Sergei Litvinenko in Croatia, reports Croatian radiotelevision. Litvinenko was wanted by US federal police for fraud he had committed in the United States. The federal courts had issued a warrant for his arrest and he was caught in Croatia earlier this week. There is literally no reason why they wouldn't extradite such a highly valued criminal to the US, formal treaty or not. The ties between the two countries are too strong.

by aestra 13y ago

300bps 13y ago

Russia has been a member of the Russia-NATO Council since 2002 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO%E2%80%93Russia_relations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO%E2%80%93Russia_relations). You don't see them extraditing Snowden, do you? Regardless, despite your lack of tact you claim to know more about Croatia than I do and you dismiss web citations that claim to know more than you so it's pointless to discuss further.

aestra 13y ago
You didn't even read your "web citations" which are actually someone found this Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extraditi...) and put some countries not on it in article form. If you did, you would find the last one points to this PDF on the US Dept of State Website: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf which is CHAPTER 209--EXTRADITION of CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. That lists Yugoslavia which isn't even a country anymore, but has a note \1\ For the successor States of Yugoslavia, inquire of the Treaty Office of the United States Department of State. Croatia is a successor States of Yugoslavia, however, I originally ignored that because I thought I'd have to contact the State Department. Then I decided to see if that info is published. Alright, Lets check out the Treaty Office of the United States Department of State. Here's the Treaties in Force list. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202293.pdf http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202293.pdf Under Croatia it lists JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE CROATIA — INVESTMENT Agreement on enhancing cooperation in preventing and combating serious crime. Signed at Washington February 16, 2011. Entered into force August 19, 2011. TIAS That's pretty vague, but there is some agreement there.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  You spent a lot of time to simply say, "The US doesn't have an extradition treaty with Croatia."

Keyframe 13y ago

As a Croatian, living in Croatia, I can re-affirm your position. He would get extradited with a complimentary cake for CIA in no time at all. Our ties with US are deeper than the ones with EU, and we are a EU member. Hell, even our chief intelligence officer has dual citizenship (US and Croatian).

aestra 13y ago
Not to mention it isn't like the US and Croatia haven't worked together at least once in apprehending a criminal living in Croatia wanted by the United States. http://daily.tportal.hr/211771/Ukrainian-hacker-wanted-in-USA-nabbed-in-Croatia.html http://daily.tportal.hr/211771/Ukrainian-hacker-wanted-in-US... http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2012-08-31/29337/Ukrainian_hacker_wanted_in_the_US_arrested_in_Croatia http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2012-08-31/29... American and Croatian police have worked together to arrest Ukrainian hacker Sergei Litvinenko in Croatia, reports Croatian radiotelevision. Litvinenko was wanted by US federal police for fraud he had committed in the United States. The federal courts had issued a warrant for his arrest and he was caught in Croatia earlier this week. There is literally no reason why they wouldn't extradite such a highly valued criminal to the US, formal treaty or not. The ties between the two countries are too strong.