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This is absolutely not true. People pay taxes in Italy, actually, they have one of the highest tax burden in the world. Do inform yourself a bit on the topic.

by kfk 13y ago

This is absolutely not true. People pay taxes in Italy, actually, they have one of the highest tax burden in the world. Do inform yourself a bit on the topic. It's way more complex than you think.

dangerscarf 13y ago
The issue isn't the tax burden, it's high rate of tax evasion. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/world/europe/italy-tries-to-raise-the-social-stigma-on-tax-evasion.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/world/europe/italy-tries-t... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/world/europe/italys-new-tool-for-tax-cheats-the-redditometro.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/world/europe/italys-new-to... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450572381475782.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230375390457745...
- kfk 13y ago
  It's both: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2221.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/... There are people that do not pay taxes, but they are compensated by those who pay. The net effect is actually that the tax burden vs GDP in Italy is higher than in places like, say, Germany. The reason Italy has a high public debt is not tax evasion, is excessive public spending. The reason many business are failing is not tax evasion, is a crazy tax law that kills many to reward few. That is why many Italian hate taxes, because they are unjust.
  - triplesec 13y ago
    that's reasonable analysis, and my initila argument was deliberately simplisitc just to make a point, rather than to complexify Italian taxation systems. You and your interlocutors among you seem to have covered this nicely for anyone who was interested in the details (which I didn't have time for).
riquito 13y ago
"people pay taxes in Italy" You wanted to say "some people", since a third of the people don't pay them (see the Uif research published in 2012). It's a huge number. Do inform yourself a bit on the topic. It's way more easier than you think.
- kfk 13y ago
  Do read my comment below which explains better and do notice the quality of the comment I was answering to.

by kfk 13y ago

This is absolutely not true. People pay taxes in Italy, actually, they have one of the highest tax burden in the world. Do inform yourself a bit on the topic. It's way more complex than you think.

dangerscarf 13y ago

The issue isn't the tax burden, it's high rate of tax evasion. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/world/europe/italy-tries-to-raise-the-social-stigma-on-tax-evasion.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/world/europe/italy-tries-t... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/world/europe/italys-new-tool-for-tax-cheats-the-redditometro.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/world/europe/italys-new-to... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303753904577450572381475782.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230375390457745...

kfk 13y ago
It's both: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2221.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/... There are people that do not pay taxes, but they are compensated by those who pay. The net effect is actually that the tax burden vs GDP in Italy is higher than in places like, say, Germany. The reason Italy has a high public debt is not tax evasion, is excessive public spending. The reason many business are failing is not tax evasion, is a crazy tax law that kills many to reward few. That is why many Italian hate taxes, because they are unjust.
- triplesec 13y ago
  that's reasonable analysis, and my initila argument was deliberately simplisitc just to make a point, rather than to complexify Italian taxation systems. You and your interlocutors among you seem to have covered this nicely for anyone who was interested in the details (which I didn't have time for).

riquito 13y ago

"people pay taxes in Italy" You wanted to say "some people", since a third of the people don't pay them (see the Uif research published in 2012). It's a huge number. Do inform yourself a bit on the topic. It's way more easier than you think.

kfk 13y ago
Do read my comment below which explains better and do notice the quality of the comment I was answering to.