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> Scan Philip Ellmer-DeWitt’s Apple 2.0 or John Gruber’s Daring Fireball and treat yourself to intelligent repudiations The minute that I saw "Gruber" and "int

> Scan Philip Ellmer-DeWitt’s Apple 2.0 or John Gruber’s Daring Fireball and treat yourself to intelligent repudiations The minute that I saw "Gruber" and "intelligent" in the same sentence was the minute I knew that this post was full of shit. If someone is so blinded by the reality distortion field that they can't see that Gruber is nothing more than a 3rd party PR person who trades insider info on Apple for pushing out propaganda on a regular basis, then I just can't take them seriously.

gibwell 13y ago
Do you know anything about the author?
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  Nope, just looked him up. Apparently he was an Apple exec in the 80s. Your point is?
  - gibwell 13y ago
    He also later founded and ran an Apple competitor that built highly respected computers and a highly respected OS. Dismissing this person's opinion simply because they don't agree with an unsubstantiated attack on Gruber makes no sense.
- coldcode 13y ago
  Jean-Louis was a long time Apple exec who started a company to build an OS called BE which briefly was in vogue at Apple before they decided NeXT was a better choice. He's pretty much still an Apple guy at heart despite losing out.
ghshephard 13y ago
If you've been listening to his podcasts or actually reading his blog, you would know that gruber has no better information (and, in fact, usually less advance knowledge) than the random rumors on macrumors/apple insider. He usually trails both loopinsight and allthingsd in terms of scoops and confirmations. He is anything but an "insider." For the last several years about the only "inside information" he's received is a week's advance use of loaner laptops/iphones so that he can write a review column. (Same thing that Pogue, Mossberg, and other prominent columnists get, and he's subject to the same embargo as they are.) All gruber really has beyond his extensive network of colleagues in the industry are his presentation skills, his writing skills, his love of Apple, and his appreciation of things well made. And, to refer to Jean-Louis Gassée as "someone ..so blinded.." would suggest that you have little understanding of the history of the industry, and who Gassée is. Take 5 minutes to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e - you'll come away more informed. He's one of the major figures in the history of computing. Gruber is partisan, obviously, but it doesn't detract from the intellectual rigor of his repudiations. His latest one was spot on - the NYT columnist that Jean-Louis was referring to had stated that in the Jobs era, stock prices would routinely go up after a product announcement, and in the Cook era, things are not so bright. Gruber took the 20-30 minutes to go check that fact (something the NYT clearly didn't bother to do) - and discovered that, in fact, it was a mixed bag - and the stock dropped as often as it went up. Not sure what "propaganda" you see in that.
blinkingled 13y ago
He quotes Daniel Eran Dilger too. I stopped reading after encountering that quote.
- gibwell 13y ago
  What's wrong with Dilger? He is unashamedly opinionated, but he is a far more professional reporter of facts than the vast majority of mainstream outlets.
  - blinkingled 13y ago
    To quote Gruber on AI - "take that with a grain of AppleInsider-sized salt (i.e. a big chunk of salt)"
  - Oletros 13y ago
    >but he is a far more professional reporter of facts than the vast majority of mainstream outlets. Well, if you count lying, writing wrong facts and trying to bash everybody but Apple as professional reporter of facts then yes, he is.
    - gibwell 13y ago
      He certainly bashes everyone but Apple, but that is his opinion. However I would be genuinely interested to be shown a deliberate wrong fact or lie he's written.
      - Oletros 13y ago
        > However I would be genuinely interested to be shown a deliberate wrong fact or lie he's written. Just an example, I can pick just any of their articles, they are full of that: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2013/03/09/googles-android-powered-by-remarkable-new-flexibly-adaptive-logic/ http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2013/03/09/googles-android-pow... If you can't see the wrong facts and the lies in just that post I can't do more.
terapixel 13y ago
The minute I saw "Apple" and "reality distortion field" and "propaganda" in the same sentence was the minute that I knew this comment was full of shit. Edit: didn't mean to sound snarky, but it's really terrible to trash an entire article based on a single sentence.

gibwell 13y ago

Do you know anything about the author?

w1ntermute 13y ago
Nope, just looked him up. Apparently he was an Apple exec in the 80s. Your point is?
- gibwell 13y ago
  He also later founded and ran an Apple competitor that built highly respected computers and a highly respected OS. Dismissing this person's opinion simply because they don't agree with an unsubstantiated attack on Gruber makes no sense.
coldcode 13y ago
Jean-Louis was a long time Apple exec who started a company to build an OS called BE which briefly was in vogue at Apple before they decided NeXT was a better choice. He's pretty much still an Apple guy at heart despite losing out.

ghshephard 13y ago

If you've been listening to his podcasts or actually reading his blog, you would know that gruber has no better information (and, in fact, usually less advance knowledge) than the random rumors on macrumors/apple insider. He usually trails both loopinsight and allthingsd in terms of scoops and confirmations. He is anything but an "insider." For the last several years about the only "inside information" he's received is a week's advance use of loaner laptops/iphones so that he can write a review column. (Same thing that Pogue, Mossberg, and other prominent columnists get, and he's subject to the same embargo as they are.) All gruber really has beyond his extensive network of colleagues in the industry are his presentation skills, his writing skills, his love of Apple, and his appreciation of things well made. And, to refer to Jean-Louis Gassée as "someone ..so blinded.." would suggest that you have little understanding of the history of the industry, and who Gassée is. Take 5 minutes to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e - you'll come away more informed. He's one of the major figures in the history of computing. Gruber is partisan, obviously, but it doesn't detract from the intellectual rigor of his repudiations. His latest one was spot on - the NYT columnist that Jean-Louis was referring to had stated that in the Jobs era, stock prices would routinely go up after a product announcement, and in the Cook era, things are not so bright. Gruber took the 20-30 minutes to go check that fact (something the NYT clearly didn't bother to do) - and discovered that, in fact, it was a mixed bag - and the stock dropped as often as it went up. Not sure what "propaganda" you see in that.

blinkingled 13y ago

He quotes Daniel Eran Dilger too. I stopped reading after encountering that quote.

gibwell 13y ago
What's wrong with Dilger? He is unashamedly opinionated, but he is a far more professional reporter of facts than the vast majority of mainstream outlets.
- blinkingled 13y ago
  To quote Gruber on AI - "take that with a grain of AppleInsider-sized salt (i.e. a big chunk of salt)"
- Oletros 13y ago
  >but he is a far more professional reporter of facts than the vast majority of mainstream outlets. Well, if you count lying, writing wrong facts and trying to bash everybody but Apple as professional reporter of facts then yes, he is.
  - gibwell 13y ago
    He certainly bashes everyone but Apple, but that is his opinion. However I would be genuinely interested to be shown a deliberate wrong fact or lie he's written.
    - Oletros 13y ago
      > However I would be genuinely interested to be shown a deliberate wrong fact or lie he's written. Just an example, I can pick just any of their articles, they are full of that: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2013/03/09/googles-android-powered-by-remarkable-new-flexibly-adaptive-logic/ http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2013/03/09/googles-android-pow... If you can't see the wrong facts and the lies in just that post I can't do more.

terapixel 13y ago

The minute I saw "Apple" and "reality distortion field" and "propaganda" in the same sentence was the minute that I knew this comment was full of shit. Edit: didn't mean to sound snarky, but it's really terrible to trash an entire article based on a single sentence.