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> Things like iMessage and FaceTime would be decent products if they opened the protocols and let others complete. This is just dogma uncritically repeated by

> Things like iMessage and FaceTime would be decent products if they opened the protocols and let others complete. This is just dogma uncritically repeated by the FOSS crowd. Is it true? No. Unified chat on all Apple devices (via iMessage) is a huge competitive advantage for them. It's already far better than decent, and I really fail to see why opening it up would make it any better. FaceTime also works better than Skype, which is amazing considering how much of a lead Skype had at the outset. In short, I struggle to come up with a single fact which supports your assertion.

k-mcgrady 13y ago
I think keeping some things tied to Apple devices makes sense but Facetime and iMessage are two that I think should be open. I want to use iMessage with all of my friends. I can only use it with people who also have iPhone's. This doesn't make them consider getting iPhone's. We just use Viber instead. Facetime is better than Skype - but I can only chat to other iOS/Mac users. This means I talk to most people on Skype as they are on Windows or Android. I love iMessage and Facetime. But neither is tying my to Apple or convincing my friends to switch to Apple. If they were open I as an Apple customer would use them more and be happier.
- YOSPOS 13y ago
  My friends and I used Kik for a while when they used Blackberry and Anroid phones. I was the only iPhone user at first, but once another friend got an iPhone it became much easier to convince the rest of them how much better it was for all of us to use iPhones. Apple is better off holding out and letting their product sell themselves, and iMessage and Facetime will keep them locked in once they're users.
  - Nerdfest 13y ago
    Rewarding Apple for that kind of behaviour is not good for anyone in the long run. When you're tied to Apple they can charge anything they want, and cripple or remove any features they want. I'd say people are bringing it upon themselves, but at a certain market saturation they're forcing it on everyone.
    - gibwell 13y ago
      All corporations do this in one way or another, so this is a generic anti-corporate argument. In the case of Apple, it is clearly irrelevant since they have such a tiny market share.
      - pswenson 13y ago
        I love it when people throw in "clearly" to their claim. Despite your claim - it isn't "clearly irrelevant". if their market share is so tiny, why is anyone reading this story on HN? in the US, iOS isn't irrelevant, Apple has 40% smartphone market share and rising.
        gibwell 13y ago
        People are reading this because despite a small market share, Apple is more successful than any other PC, Tablet, or Phone maker. It's easy to point to rising market share less than one month after an annual product release. If it wasn't rising at that point they'd be in Blackberry territory. Typically, Apple is presented as having a losing strategy, and the current market share in the US is regarded as a anomaly that will quickly be corrected as 'Good Enough' Android phones such as the Nexus series or Galaxy S4 are recognized as being equivalent.
- bbgm 13y ago
  FaceTime has convinced pretty much everyone in our globally distributed family to buy iPads (for the most part). These are all people familiar with Skype but the FaceTime experience is a huge win. More recently some of us have tried hangout but in the end it was back to FaceTime. I would like to see both open, but I can also see why Apple, who do make money on the devices, want to sell more devices.
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k-mcgrady 13y ago

I think keeping some things tied to Apple devices makes sense but Facetime and iMessage are two that I think should be open. I want to use iMessage with all of my friends. I can only use it with people who also have iPhone's. This doesn't make them consider getting iPhone's. We just use Viber instead. Facetime is better than Skype - but I can only chat to other iOS/Mac users. This means I talk to most people on Skype as they are on Windows or Android. I love iMessage and Facetime. But neither is tying my to Apple or convincing my friends to switch to Apple. If they were open I as an Apple customer would use them more and be happier.

YOSPOS 13y ago
My friends and I used Kik for a while when they used Blackberry and Anroid phones. I was the only iPhone user at first, but once another friend got an iPhone it became much easier to convince the rest of them how much better it was for all of us to use iPhones. Apple is better off holding out and letting their product sell themselves, and iMessage and Facetime will keep them locked in once they're users.
- Nerdfest 13y ago
  Rewarding Apple for that kind of behaviour is not good for anyone in the long run. When you're tied to Apple they can charge anything they want, and cripple or remove any features they want. I'd say people are bringing it upon themselves, but at a certain market saturation they're forcing it on everyone.
  - gibwell 13y ago
    All corporations do this in one way or another, so this is a generic anti-corporate argument. In the case of Apple, it is clearly irrelevant since they have such a tiny market share.
    - pswenson 13y ago
      I love it when people throw in "clearly" to their claim. Despite your claim - it isn't "clearly irrelevant". if their market share is so tiny, why is anyone reading this story on HN? in the US, iOS isn't irrelevant, Apple has 40% smartphone market share and rising.
      - gibwell 13y ago
        People are reading this because despite a small market share, Apple is more successful than any other PC, Tablet, or Phone maker. It's easy to point to rising market share less than one month after an annual product release. If it wasn't rising at that point they'd be in Blackberry territory. Typically, Apple is presented as having a losing strategy, and the current market share in the US is regarded as a anomaly that will quickly be corrected as 'Good Enough' Android phones such as the Nexus series or Galaxy S4 are recognized as being equivalent.
bbgm 13y ago
FaceTime has convinced pretty much everyone in our globally distributed family to buy iPads (for the most part). These are all people familiar with Skype but the FaceTime experience is a huge win. More recently some of us have tried hangout but in the end it was back to FaceTime. I would like to see both open, but I can also see why Apple, who do make money on the devices, want to sell more devices.

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