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Man-made climate warning is most likely a hoax that fuels a multi-billion-dollar industry and is used, among other things, to erect protectionist barriers again

Man-made climate warning is most likely a hoax that fuels a multi-billion-dollar industry and is used, among other things, to erect protectionist barriers against Chinese and Indian cars. So there are extremely powerful vested political and economic interests to ensure that there's no possibility of an honest debate, even to the point of falsifying data I would suspect (never mind the indoctrination of young children across most of the western world). Even if that weren't the case it would still be pointless to worry about it as trying to change people's behavior outside the marketplace can only be done with totalitarian methods, which is exactly what environmentalists propose. Not to mention, since this is Hacker News after all, that I would love to see CO2 concentrations go up 50 times to reach those recorded during dinosaurs' time (sorry, too lazy to check exact era), as a much denser atmosphere would allow almost car-sized airships to be built, or even human flight with wings and how cool would that be. Environmentalism is the new communism and Gaia-worshiping is a religion with Al Gore as its main tele-evangelist. The guy has even set up his own company selling carbon credits. I am certainly not going to write a lengthy exposition identifying the errors in Benn Hinn's theological doctrine. Ridicule saves time.

homeomorphic 13y ago
> Man-made climate warning is most likely a hoax that fuels a multi-billion-dollar industry and is used, among other things, to erect protectionist barriers against Chinese and Indian cars. So there are extremely powerful vested political and economic interests to ensure that there's no possibility of an honest debate, even to the point of falsifying data I would suspect (never mind the indoctrination of young children across most of the western world). What you present here is, as far as I can tell, an argument that there are (well-monied) interests that stand to gain from having people believe in AGW. That is a valid point to make, but it does nothing to prove the conspiracy that you sketch. Do you have any proof? You go on (sorry, it's cumbersome to quote on my phone) to suggest that the fact that there are people who take a religious view towards environmentalism matters for the debate. I agree to a certain extent that this is a problem, but the solution is simple: don't listen to the enviro-religious people. Listen instead to the science.
- MarcusBrutus 13y ago
  Even assuming that man-made global warming is true and that high concentrations of CO2 is a bad thing, what does science tell me that's really actionable? Coordination is impossible in prisoner's dilemma type games. No solution, no problem. The only way to "solve" the "problem" is with world-wide totalitarian measures which would produce untold misery as a side effect. I 'd much rather have the sea level go up 2 meters. The crying meteorologist is to me on a par with the British young woman who had an abortion "for the environment". To recap: powerful interests, alarming indications of intellectual fraud (e.g. accusations of data massaging, gradually speaking more of "climate change" than "global warming"), nothing to do that's compatible with me pursuing my interest, yes selfish interest - is there another kind? -, in a market economy. Case closed for me.
VLM 13y ago
Thats actually not bad as a list of traditional ad hominem attacks. If you really want to troll em, try something like "history is nothing but billions of years of climate change, so paleoconservatives who want to preserve the 1500s eternally are anti-scientific". Another hilarious one is going into geographic politics. Everyone living along the coasts has roughly the same weather so they freak out at the idea of temp going up or down. Non-coasties (and their ecologies) thrive in areas with dramatically varying temps, but coasties always excrete vast clouds of smug over non-coasties so anything good thats not coastal cannot exist. For example, worst case delta T scenarios are unthinkable for coasties who think +/- one degree counts as "weather" but for me, the worst case is basically like moving about 40 miles south. This is a fun one that gets them all wound up. There's also a hilarious personal responsibility game. People who build stuff in stupid places are about to have their chips cashed in, displaying their epic fail. And the problem with that is what exactly? Right up there with those people who get flooded out by rivers every other year and get .gov to pay to rebuild them every time, oh how my heart aches for them LOL. Hey did you just hear? The coasts are going to flood in a century. I suggest... moving? You've only got a century best start getting moving or start those .gov financial claims... Now thats the way to really get them going...
ksrm 13y ago
Yeah, do your trolling elsewhere.

homeomorphic 13y ago

> Man-made climate warning is most likely a hoax that fuels a multi-billion-dollar industry and is used, among other things, to erect protectionist barriers against Chinese and Indian cars. So there are extremely powerful vested political and economic interests to ensure that there's no possibility of an honest debate, even to the point of falsifying data I would suspect (never mind the indoctrination of young children across most of the western world). What you present here is, as far as I can tell, an argument that there are (well-monied) interests that stand to gain from having people believe in AGW. That is a valid point to make, but it does nothing to prove the conspiracy that you sketch. Do you have any proof? You go on (sorry, it's cumbersome to quote on my phone) to suggest that the fact that there are people who take a religious view towards environmentalism matters for the debate. I agree to a certain extent that this is a problem, but the solution is simple: don't listen to the enviro-religious people. Listen instead to the science.

MarcusBrutus 13y ago
Even assuming that man-made global warming is true and that high concentrations of CO2 is a bad thing, what does science tell me that's really actionable? Coordination is impossible in prisoner's dilemma type games. No solution, no problem. The only way to "solve" the "problem" is with world-wide totalitarian measures which would produce untold misery as a side effect. I 'd much rather have the sea level go up 2 meters. The crying meteorologist is to me on a par with the British young woman who had an abortion "for the environment". To recap: powerful interests, alarming indications of intellectual fraud (e.g. accusations of data massaging, gradually speaking more of "climate change" than "global warming"), nothing to do that's compatible with me pursuing my interest, yes selfish interest - is there another kind? -, in a market economy. Case closed for me.

VLM 13y ago

Thats actually not bad as a list of traditional ad hominem attacks. If you really want to troll em, try something like "history is nothing but billions of years of climate change, so paleoconservatives who want to preserve the 1500s eternally are anti-scientific". Another hilarious one is going into geographic politics. Everyone living along the coasts has roughly the same weather so they freak out at the idea of temp going up or down. Non-coasties (and their ecologies) thrive in areas with dramatically varying temps, but coasties always excrete vast clouds of smug over non-coasties so anything good thats not coastal cannot exist. For example, worst case delta T scenarios are unthinkable for coasties who think +/- one degree counts as "weather" but for me, the worst case is basically like moving about 40 miles south. This is a fun one that gets them all wound up. There's also a hilarious personal responsibility game. People who build stuff in stupid places are about to have their chips cashed in, displaying their epic fail. And the problem with that is what exactly? Right up there with those people who get flooded out by rivers every other year and get .gov to pay to rebuild them every time, oh how my heart aches for them LOL. Hey did you just hear? The coasts are going to flood in a century. I suggest... moving? You've only got a century best start getting moving or start those .gov financial claims... Now thats the way to really get them going...

ksrm 13y ago

Yeah, do your trolling elsewhere.