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So what? London Olympics were tapped as well. At G20 summit in 2009 GCHQ even spied on foreign diplomats by hacking their devices and setting up fake internet

by qwerta 13y ago

So what? London Olympics were tapped as well. At G20 summit in 2009 GCHQ even spied on foreign diplomats by hacking their devices and setting up fake internet cafes.

devx 13y ago
Just because your neighbor murders someone, doesn't mean you should, too.
- pekk 13y ago
  Folks, monitoring communications is literally murder!
  - summerdown2 13y ago
    Surely you can see it's only an analogy? No-one is saying it's literally murder. In this case, the comment is really saying: a) The parent comment suggests it's ok because other people do it. b) The argument that things are ok because the other side does it is not a valid one however. c) Take murder, for instance. If one side commited murder, no-one would consider it's ok for everyone to. d) Hence, by analogy, the argument is incorrect. I'm sorry for having to write this out, but this line of misreading does frustrate me. Surely it's possible to read subtext in people's writing, and not jump only to the literal meaning?
danenania 13y ago
I think that as with the latest NSA stuff, it's the ubiquitous and wholesale nature of it that really changes the game. Before, everyone knew that spying was happening here and there, but as an ordinary, politically uninteresting person, you could (perhaps naively) pretty much assume it wouldn't affect you. But we are rapidly reaching a stage where intense surveillance is close to guaranteed on everyone, and the potential for abuse is much greater. "Ordinary" people going to Russia to watch to the Olympics won't just have to worry about being targeted for political reasons, they'll have to worry about their business communications, financial information, having details of their sexual life leaked and then being confronted by a brutal mob, reaching a position of power and being blackmailed in the future, etc. In the past, Western countries could have protested in some way about behavior such as this and perhaps used their leverage to make changes, but now it appears that this tyrannical approach to human rights is becoming standardized.
- qwerta 13y ago
  > "Ordinary" people going to Russia ... having details ... leaked This is case everywhere. Do you think NSA will just delete their databases? It is just question when all this data will get connected with Visa Applications, IRS and others. In 10 years DMV will be sending speeding tickets based on data -mining. I can even imagine petabyte leak when all this data will just appear on bittorrent.

by qwerta 13y ago

So what? London Olympics were tapped as well. At G20 summit in 2009 GCHQ even spied on foreign diplomats by hacking their devices and setting up fake internet cafes.

devx 13y ago

Just because your neighbor murders someone, doesn't mean you should, too.

pekk 13y ago
Folks, monitoring communications is literally murder!
- summerdown2 13y ago
  Surely you can see it's only an analogy? No-one is saying it's literally murder. In this case, the comment is really saying: a) The parent comment suggests it's ok because other people do it. b) The argument that things are ok because the other side does it is not a valid one however. c) Take murder, for instance. If one side commited murder, no-one would consider it's ok for everyone to. d) Hence, by analogy, the argument is incorrect. I'm sorry for having to write this out, but this line of misreading does frustrate me. Surely it's possible to read subtext in people's writing, and not jump only to the literal meaning?

danenania 13y ago

I think that as with the latest NSA stuff, it's the ubiquitous and wholesale nature of it that really changes the game. Before, everyone knew that spying was happening here and there, but as an ordinary, politically uninteresting person, you could (perhaps naively) pretty much assume it wouldn't affect you. But we are rapidly reaching a stage where intense surveillance is close to guaranteed on everyone, and the potential for abuse is much greater. "Ordinary" people going to Russia to watch to the Olympics won't just have to worry about being targeted for political reasons, they'll have to worry about their business communications, financial information, having details of their sexual life leaked and then being confronted by a brutal mob, reaching a position of power and being blackmailed in the future, etc. In the past, Western countries could have protested in some way about behavior such as this and perhaps used their leverage to make changes, but now it appears that this tyrannical approach to human rights is becoming standardized.

qwerta 13y ago
> "Ordinary" people going to Russia ... having details ... leaked This is case everywhere. Do you think NSA will just delete their databases? It is just question when all this data will get connected with Visa Applications, IRS and others. In 10 years DMV will be sending speeding tickets based on data -mining. I can even imagine petabyte leak when all this data will just appear on bittorrent.