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Surely I can't be the only one wondering why this kind of functionality isn't just built-in already (with option to enable/disable accordingly)? I mean, the sit

Surely I can't be the only one wondering why this kind of functionality isn't just built-in already (with option to enable/disable accordingly)? I mean, the site has been around for about 7 years now, and the whole 'community' aspect seems to be a big selling point, so it just seems odd...

nodesocket 13y ago
An interesting thought. Perhaps users constantly coming back and checking their comments for replies, increases time on site, and the possibility users will interact further and view other posts. But, the reality is probably that pg is just super busy and does not have the time and bandwidth to build features out. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Reddit does not send notifications on comment replies either.
- oblique63 13y ago
  > But, the reality is probably that PG is just super busy and does not have the time and bandwidth to build features out. I totally get that, it's the reason I mentioned the 7-year time window though. You'd think that something like that would've been done at some point during all that time by some interns or something by now, even if it was a super low priority. I'm guessing that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy must just be really strong with PG in that case. Or possibly have some deeper reasoning like you mentioned. > Reddit does not send notifications on comment replies either. It doesn't send out notifications to your email or whatever, but it does still have a little inbox notification that lights up when you get new replies. Does something similar to that get unlocked here with enough karma? If that's the case, then I wouldn't know...
  - krapp 13y ago
    > Does something similar to that get unlocked here with enough karma? not... yet...
  - rcfox 13y ago
    There's no little indicator, however you can click the "threads" link up at the top to see all of your comments and their replies.
    - xerophtye 13y ago
      came here to say that
  - xur17 13y ago
    A little indicator up by your name would be a good idea, and presumably wouldn't be too difficult. Adding email into the mix would further complicate things, likely more than pg has time for (and honestly, I kind of like the simplicity of this site).
  - gpl1 13y ago
    YC definitely does not have interns
    - oblique63 13y ago
      Ok, but I doubt PG still hand-codes every update to the site himself, and such small features don't seem like they would require a high ranking staff member to implement them either, which was kinda my point.
  - wallflower 13y ago
    > You'd think that something like that would've been done at some point during all that time by some interns or something by now Just in case you didn't know, the guy who helps manage the site is RTM. Yes, RTM.
- alecsmart1 13y ago
  Maybe that's the case. But as a new user, I find it very difficult to keep track of comments. Let alone any other standard social features that you expect from a community based site. Have a look at SO and see how friendly it is in comparison. HN even throttles link posts for new users; it's quite frustrating. When I post links from certain IPs (presumably because of my country), they don't get posted at all. The same links posted using a US based IP go through.
- lobster_johnson 13y ago
  Reddit doesn't, but it does have the "orange red" envelope indicating new activity. And there is RES (browser extension) which adds notification that's visible even if the browser isn't focused. Reddit's API allows tools like Orangered (Mac status bar icon/notifier) and Alien Blue to built, as well.
  - pkamb 13y ago
    I made a Mac menubar app for orangereds, using the Reddit API: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/reddit-notifier/id468366517?mt=12 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/reddit-notifier/id468366517?...
    - lobster_johnson 13y ago
      Any benefits over Orangered, which is free and open source? http://www.voidref.com/orangered/Orangered!.html http://www.voidref.com/orangered/Orangered!.html
      - pkamb 13y ago
        Better features in my opinion (Notification Center, modmail, modqueue, cakeday, audio alerts, etc.) but mainly the fact that Reddit Notifier has been updated in the last year! https://github.com/voidref/orangered/commits/master https://github.com/voidref/orangered/commits/master
        lobster_johnson 13y ago
        Orangered works and covers most people's requirements, so it's not like it needs to be updated. I'm sure your app is great, but I don't miss any of the stuff you mention, to be honest.
- Wingman4l7 13y ago
  > Perhaps users constantly coming back and checking their comments for replies, increases time on site, and the possibility users will interact further and view other posts. Joel Spolsky wrote a piece on Building Communities with Software back in 2003.[1] He reasons that allowing email notifications is "the best way to kill dead any young forum" and that such "checking back" as you describe helps a forum to achieve critical mass and survive. [1]: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswi...
DavideNL 13y ago
The question is not only if it can be easily implemented (technically) but also whether it would have a positive impact on the quality of the comments... (notifications = faster replies = more emtotion = less thinking = less value)
- eksith 13y ago
  I think this really is the focus of it. This is also the big reason there is an increasing delay on nested replies as you go to deeper. It forces you to calm down and think a bit more before coming back with an emotional reply instead of a thoughtful one.
- StavrosK 13y ago
  There's a huge non-sequitur there. You're assuming that people who aren't getting notified of their replies are thinking about what they're going to say on the topic. I don't think that's true. You see the reply to your comment, then you start thinking, then you reply to it. The time from seeing the comment to writing the reply doesn't change with getting notified or not.
  - DavideNL 13y ago
    > You're assuming that people who aren't getting notified of their replies are thinking about what they're going to say on the topic No, i'm not assuming this. For example one difference is that situation #1 is a surprise (you get a notification while you were in the middle of something else) and situation #2 is not (it's anticipated, you decide to check the HN website and decide to check for replies to your comments). Situation #1 generates a startle reflex in some manner, whereas the anticipated visit #2 does not.
Udo 13y ago
I remember at some point HN had built-in support for notifo, which was a notification startup at the time. When that went away, so did the notification feature.

nodesocket 13y ago

An interesting thought. Perhaps users constantly coming back and checking their comments for replies, increases time on site, and the possibility users will interact further and view other posts. But, the reality is probably that pg is just super busy and does not have the time and bandwidth to build features out. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Reddit does not send notifications on comment replies either.

oblique63 13y ago
> But, the reality is probably that PG is just super busy and does not have the time and bandwidth to build features out. I totally get that, it's the reason I mentioned the 7-year time window though. You'd think that something like that would've been done at some point during all that time by some interns or something by now, even if it was a super low priority. I'm guessing that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy must just be really strong with PG in that case. Or possibly have some deeper reasoning like you mentioned. > Reddit does not send notifications on comment replies either. It doesn't send out notifications to your email or whatever, but it does still have a little inbox notification that lights up when you get new replies. Does something similar to that get unlocked here with enough karma? If that's the case, then I wouldn't know...
- krapp 13y ago
  > Does something similar to that get unlocked here with enough karma? not... yet...
- rcfox 13y ago
  There's no little indicator, however you can click the "threads" link up at the top to see all of your comments and their replies.
  - xerophtye 13y ago
    came here to say that
- xur17 13y ago
  A little indicator up by your name would be a good idea, and presumably wouldn't be too difficult. Adding email into the mix would further complicate things, likely more than pg has time for (and honestly, I kind of like the simplicity of this site).
- gpl1 13y ago
  YC definitely does not have interns
  - oblique63 13y ago
    Ok, but I doubt PG still hand-codes every update to the site himself, and such small features don't seem like they would require a high ranking staff member to implement them either, which was kinda my point.
- wallflower 13y ago
  > You'd think that something like that would've been done at some point during all that time by some interns or something by now Just in case you didn't know, the guy who helps manage the site is RTM. Yes, RTM.
alecsmart1 13y ago
Maybe that's the case. But as a new user, I find it very difficult to keep track of comments. Let alone any other standard social features that you expect from a community based site. Have a look at SO and see how friendly it is in comparison. HN even throttles link posts for new users; it's quite frustrating. When I post links from certain IPs (presumably because of my country), they don't get posted at all. The same links posted using a US based IP go through.
lobster_johnson 13y ago
Reddit doesn't, but it does have the "orange red" envelope indicating new activity. And there is RES (browser extension) which adds notification that's visible even if the browser isn't focused. Reddit's API allows tools like Orangered (Mac status bar icon/notifier) and Alien Blue to built, as well.
- pkamb 13y ago
  I made a Mac menubar app for orangereds, using the Reddit API: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/reddit-notifier/id468366517?mt=12 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/reddit-notifier/id468366517?...
  - lobster_johnson 13y ago
    Any benefits over Orangered, which is free and open source? http://www.voidref.com/orangered/Orangered!.html http://www.voidref.com/orangered/Orangered!.html
    - pkamb 13y ago
      Better features in my opinion (Notification Center, modmail, modqueue, cakeday, audio alerts, etc.) but mainly the fact that Reddit Notifier has been updated in the last year! https://github.com/voidref/orangered/commits/master https://github.com/voidref/orangered/commits/master
      - lobster_johnson 13y ago
        Orangered works and covers most people's requirements, so it's not like it needs to be updated. I'm sure your app is great, but I don't miss any of the stuff you mention, to be honest.
Wingman4l7 13y ago
> Perhaps users constantly coming back and checking their comments for replies, increases time on site, and the possibility users will interact further and view other posts. Joel Spolsky wrote a piece on Building Communities with Software back in 2003.[1] He reasons that allowing email notifications is "the best way to kill dead any young forum" and that such "checking back" as you describe helps a forum to achieve critical mass and survive. [1]: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswi...

DavideNL 13y ago

The question is not only if it can be easily implemented (technically) but also whether it would have a positive impact on the quality of the comments... (notifications = faster replies = more emtotion = less thinking = less value)

eksith 13y ago
I think this really is the focus of it. This is also the big reason there is an increasing delay on nested replies as you go to deeper. It forces you to calm down and think a bit more before coming back with an emotional reply instead of a thoughtful one.
StavrosK 13y ago
There's a huge non-sequitur there. You're assuming that people who aren't getting notified of their replies are thinking about what they're going to say on the topic. I don't think that's true. You see the reply to your comment, then you start thinking, then you reply to it. The time from seeing the comment to writing the reply doesn't change with getting notified or not.
- DavideNL 13y ago
  > You're assuming that people who aren't getting notified of their replies are thinking about what they're going to say on the topic No, i'm not assuming this. For example one difference is that situation #1 is a surprise (you get a notification while you were in the middle of something else) and situation #2 is not (it's anticipated, you decide to check the HN website and decide to check for replies to your comments). Situation #1 generates a startle reflex in some manner, whereas the anticipated visit #2 does not.

Udo 13y ago

I remember at some point HN had built-in support for notifo, which was a notification startup at the time. When that went away, so did the notification feature.