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Long-Dead Tweeter Soars; Some Seek Twitter?

JonnieCache 13y ago
ZeroHedge has better graphs: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-04/idiocy-markets-one-chart http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-04/idiocy-markets-one-... They run a nice line in lulzy financial charting generally: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/gold-iphone http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/gold-iphone http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/wtf-chart-day http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/wtf-chart-day EDIT: this is also pretty hilarious/terrifying: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/bart-chilton-commodities-traders-you-are-your-own http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/bart-chilton-commod...
- muzz 13y ago
  Nice charts, but terrible editorializing. The relevant Tweeter/Twitter post is titled "The Sheer Idiocy Of The Markets In One Chart" as if the idiocy was on the part of the market rather than on the part of the participants.
  - mikeyouse 13y ago
    I'm confused about your distinction.. the market is the sum of the participants. The market price of the wrong stock increased dramatically, that's 'the market' being idiotic. Obviously the participants drove the price up, but in this specific case, the market has failed.
justinsb 13y ago
I think the suggestion is that the buyers are algorithmic trading systems. An alternative explanation: could Twitter buy Tweeter and use it to list a lot more easily than the formal IPO process? If the government shutdown goes on for so long that Twitter runs out of cash, or if the SEC goes 10 rounds with Twitter's S-1, it might be easier/cheaper for Twitter just to buy TWTRQ. For a stock with a market-cap of <$1 million, that might be worth a punt. Or, more darkly, if someone held stock of TWTRQ, they'd probably be promoting that view. (I don't, for the record!)
- mikeyouse 13y ago
  They'd likely need the SEC to perform it, but what you're describing is called a "Reverse Merger". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover Lately, they've been the mechanism for numerous chinese pump-and-dump frauds like those exposed by John Hempton and Muddy Waters. http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/12/fushi-copperweld-christmas-present-from.html http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/12/fushi-copperweld-c... http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/chinese-reverse-merger-companies-draw-lawsuits/?_r=0 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/chinese-reverse-merge... But they do have a legitimate function for honest companies.
  - Avitas 13y ago
    Although this is off-topic from the original post, the reverse merger hijinks are an interesting read. Here is a 2011 list of the American companies this involved: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/complete-list-all-chinese-reverse-merger-companies http://www.zerohedge.com/article/complete-list-all-chinese-r...
lnanek2 13y ago
Too bad it isn't on a real exchange and easy to borrow...you could short the heck out of it or even buy options to make a fortune when it goes down.

ZeroHedge has better graphs: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-04/idiocy-markets-one-chart http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-04/idiocy-markets-one-... They run a nice line in lulzy financial charting generally: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/gold-iphone http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-12/gold-iphone http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/wtf-chart-day http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-16/wtf-chart-day EDIT: this is also pretty hilarious/terrifying: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/bart-chilton-commodities-traders-you-are-your-own http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/bart-chilton-commod...

muzz 13y ago
Nice charts, but terrible editorializing. The relevant Tweeter/Twitter post is titled "The Sheer Idiocy Of The Markets In One Chart" as if the idiocy was on the part of the market rather than on the part of the participants.
- mikeyouse 13y ago
  I'm confused about your distinction.. the market is the sum of the participants. The market price of the wrong stock increased dramatically, that's 'the market' being idiotic. Obviously the participants drove the price up, but in this specific case, the market has failed.

justinsb 13y ago

I think the suggestion is that the buyers are algorithmic trading systems. An alternative explanation: could Twitter buy Tweeter and use it to list a lot more easily than the formal IPO process? If the government shutdown goes on for so long that Twitter runs out of cash, or if the SEC goes 10 rounds with Twitter's S-1, it might be easier/cheaper for Twitter just to buy TWTRQ. For a stock with a market-cap of <$1 million, that might be worth a punt. Or, more darkly, if someone held stock of TWTRQ, they'd probably be promoting that view. (I don't, for the record!)

mikeyouse 13y ago
They'd likely need the SEC to perform it, but what you're describing is called a "Reverse Merger". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover Lately, they've been the mechanism for numerous chinese pump-and-dump frauds like those exposed by John Hempton and Muddy Waters. http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/12/fushi-copperweld-christmas-present-from.html http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/12/fushi-copperweld-c... http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/chinese-reverse-merger-companies-draw-lawsuits/?_r=0 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/chinese-reverse-merge... But they do have a legitimate function for honest companies.
- Avitas 13y ago
  Although this is off-topic from the original post, the reverse merger hijinks are an interesting read. Here is a 2011 list of the American companies this involved: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/complete-list-all-chinese-reverse-merger-companies http://www.zerohedge.com/article/complete-list-all-chinese-r...

lnanek2 13y ago

Too bad it isn't on a real exchange and easy to borrow...you could short the heck out of it or even buy options to make a fortune when it goes down.